[Media] IVOA facebook info request

Fri Jan 19 10:21:19 CET 2018

Dear all,
my feelings are along the lines of Christophe's ones.

So, not to create any controversial issue, I'll skip this round of job
posting.
Not sure I'll post it to the interop list, I was undecided already last
time I did.

At this point I wonder if, on the IVOA web page, there could be a dedicated
place for this kind of things: i.e. a "work with IVOA members and
contributors"-like space. This should prevent faking social news while
letting people understand there's place for work within the VO community
and helping in posting job ads.

Cheers,
     Marco

PS - the job was really VO related in this case (another reason not to use
it to feed this discussion, it would turn out in being a biasing
information piece): it's about disseminating VO knowledge and solutions
while, probably, renovating VObs.it pages (nearly dead currently) and,
maybe, helping in maintaining the TWiki-Mailman-mail service of IVOA based
in Trieste.

2018-01-19 8:49 GMT+01:00 Christophe Arviset <Christophe.Arviset at esa.int>:

> Dear all
>
> I have mixed feeling on this matter. On one side, I agree to the point
> that it would be difficult to fully determine what is the VO job or not and
> Simon indeed pointed out a good group for jobs for astronomers (there is
> also the LinkedIn on Astronomy and Space Software (
> https://www.linkedin.com/groups/70811). On the other side, I would not
> want to systematically ban any job posting as there might be some very
> specific ones purely VO (such as emerging from EC funded projects) that
> would be natural to post there.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Cheers
>
> Christophe
>
>
>
> On 18/01/2018 11:24 PM, Simon O'Toole wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just putting in my two cents worth: I agree that we should not be posting
> job ads on the IVOA social media accounts. Mainly because, as Bruce says,
> it is often hard to distinguish a VO-related job ad from a non-VO-related
> one. We don’t want to annoy people with a somewhat arbitrary cutoff (“Why
> did they post that ad when they didn’t post mine!!”). Also, there is a
> great Facebook group already for jobs: Jobs for Astronomers.
>
> Cheers,
> Simon
>
>
> On 19 Jan 2018, at 5:35 AM, Bruce Berriman <GBB at ipac.caltech.edu> wrote:
>
> Hi Jamie,
>
> Please see below!
>
> Bruce
>
> On Jan 18, 2018, at 12:43 PM, Budynkiewicz, Jamie Anne <
> jbudynkiewicz at cfa.harvard.edu> wrote:
>
> Hi Bruce,
>
> Thanks for the quick input. In hindsight, I was a bit hasty on this.
> Apologies on that.
>
> Having a “catch-all” for information will, in my view, diminish the impact
>> of our social media efforts.
>>
>> I agree with this -- we don't want to add too much technical/insider
> material to the pages.  I feel if the job were strictly VO-related, it'd be
> fine to post it on facebook or twitter. At least it shows there are jobs
> for VO-work or ones that request knowledge of VO.  If Marco's job posting
> is directly VO-related, perhaps we could post something more for the
> general public on facebook/twitter before hand?  Does that help?
>
> Or, we can just state the policy, "No job postings on the social media
> platforms" if that makes the most sense.
>
>
> My view is not to do job postings in tis way. It can often be hard to
> discriminate what is really a VO job from what is not - in the sense that
> jobs tend to have several roles, and the VO part may be the least
> significant, and we should not be advertising such. I am, however, happy to
> listen to alternative views on this topic from the media group.
>
> Cheers
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Jamie
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