[Media] VO handouts -- what tools/services to highlight? Draft for **Dec 19**
Enrique Solano
esm at cab.inta-csic.es
Tue Dec 19 12:02:07 CET 2017
Hi Jamie,
Thank you for preparing the handout. Just a couple of comments on mi side.
* I see it too technical-oriented. It is perfect for data providers or
VO software developers but, in my opinion, we are missing the
astronomical community, i.e, people interested in doing new science /
science in a more efficient way using VO tools. Something about VO tools
(generically if you wish, in order not to make a) and a nice image
illustrating VO science should be included.
* I would change the sequence "Access, Explore, Analize, Share" by
"Discover, Access, Analyze"
Cheers,
Enrique.
On 19/12/17 06:38, Budynkiewicz, Jamie Anne wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Not sure if that last message went through to the media at ivoa.net
> <mailto:media at ivoa.net>. I got a filesize warning when I sent this
> originally. Apologies if this is just a duplicate message for most of
> you...
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1EfMh3uOUa9Lvaw08Vo4nvCrMADTHQfvU -- PDF
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1nnGoxntlzjemFfPTGJAObrmiumBTSb_h --
> powerpoint
>
>
> Here's a draft of the handout for AAS. It's laid out as being a 6.5 x
> 8.5 inches handout with a front and back. The front gives the idea to
> scientists, what VO does for them. The back lists IVOA-related (or at
> least VO related) booths in the exhibit hall. I'm pretty sure the
> logo's side of the handout needs work (did I get everyone? Are there
> some institutes that shouldn't be on this handout? (e.g., I know
> there's some folks at Astron who are in the IVOA, but I'm not sure
> their institute is part of it).
>
> Here's the AAS exhibitor's list for
> reference: https://aas.org/231st-aas-meeting/231st-aas-meeting-exhibitors
> <https://aas.org/231st-aas-meeting/231st-aas-meeting-exhibitors>
> And the USVOA's list of
> participants: https://hea-www.cfa.harvard.edu/USVOA/about-the-usvoa/
> <https://hea-www.cfa.harvard.edu/USVOA/about-the-usvoa/>
>
> Besides a general review of the handout (is teh concept good? should
> there be a different angle to it?), I'm looking for the following in
> your reviews:
>
> 1. What are the best images to use for the front side?
> 2. Is the IVOA info OK? I took it from the current site homepage.
> 3. Should I point to a specific page on the IVOA website?
> 4. Is it OK to put "ask anyone at these booths for more VO/IVOA
> information?" Should we list specific booths that are OK with having
> VO questions? I'm guessing the later...
> 5. Do I have the right logo's on the back? Please feel free to
> move/resize the logos. THere's some organization in them; I tried to
> keep the USVOA logos together.
>
> Just to say it, the exec meeting is at **10:00am EST**, so I'm not
> sure this will be presented at the telecon, but there should be enough
> time to get reviewed by the Exec before AAS.
>
> Thanks in advance for taking a look.
>
> Cheers,
> Jamie
>
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 12:32 AM, Budynkiewicz, Jamie Anne
> <jbudynkiewicz at cfa.harvard.edu <mailto:jbudynkiewicz at cfa.harvard.edu>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Here's a draft of the handout for AAS. It's laid out as being a
> 6.5 x 8.5 inches handout with a front and back. The front gives
> the idea to scientists, what VO does for them. The back lists
> IVOA-related (or at least VO related) booths in the exhibit hall.
> I'm pretty sure the logo's side of the handout needs work (did I
> get everyone? Are there some institutes that shouldn't be on this
> handout? (e.g., I know there's some folks at Astron who are in the
> IVOA, but I'm not sure their institute is part of it).
>
> Here's the AAS exhibitor's list for
> reference: https://aas.org/231st-aas-meeting/231st-aas-meeting-exhibitors
> <https://aas.org/231st-aas-meeting/231st-aas-meeting-exhibitors>
> And the USVOA's list of
> participants: https://hea-www.cfa.harvard.edu/USVOA/about-the-usvoa/
> <https://hea-www.cfa.harvard.edu/USVOA/about-the-usvoa/>
>
> Besides a general review of the handout (is teh concept good?
> should there be a different angle to it?), I'm looking for the
> following in your reviews:
>
> 1. What are the best images to use for the front side?
> 2. Is the IVOA info OK? I took it from the current site homepage.
> 3. Should I point to a specific page on the IVOA website?
> 4. Is it OK to put "ask anyone at these booths for more VO/IVOA
> information?" Should we list specific booths that are OK with
> having VO questions? I'm guessing the later...
> 5. Do I have the right logo's on the back? Please feel free to
> move/resize the logos. THere's some organization in them; I tried
> to keep the USVOA logos together.
>
> Just to say it, the exec meeting is at **10:00am EST**, so I'm not
> sure this will be presented at the telecon, but there should be
> enough time to get reviewed by the Exec before AAS.
>
> Thanks in advance for taking a look.
>
> Cheers,
> Jamie
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 5:35 PM, Budynkiewicz, Jamie Anne
> <jbudynkiewicz at cfa.harvard.edu
> <mailto:jbudynkiewicz at cfa.harvard.edu>> wrote:
>
> Not sure if I'll be getting in a draft by 6:00 pm EST, but
> I'll have something sent out tonight...
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Budynkiewicz, Jamie Anne
> <jbudynkiewicz at cfa.harvard.edu
> <mailto:jbudynkiewicz at cfa.harvard.edu>> wrote:
>
> Bruce,
>
> Thanks for the inputs. I'll go with the "general" approach
> as you pinned as the better idea.
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:57 PM, Bruce Berriman
> <GBB at ipac.caltech.edu <mailto:GBB at ipac.caltech.edu>> wrote:
>
> Hi Jamie
>
> Please see notes below.
>
> =Bruce
>
>> On Dec 18, 2017, at 7:54 AM, Budynkiewicz, Jamie Anne
>> <jbudynkiewicz at cfa.harvard.edu
>> <mailto:jbudynkiewicz at cfa.harvard.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bruce,
>>
>> Thanks for the inputs. And totally understandable
>> Hmm... didn't think of the time restraints for booth
>> materials. And making sure all IVOA partner
>> institutes' efforts are somehow contained in that
>> handout. Good things to keep in mind.
>>
>> Concerning the booth materials problem, we could
>> still at least hand them out at the Student Reception
>> on Monday night. If an institute or person wants to
>> take some anyway, they could print out some copies
>> (or grab some from us).
>>
>> Concerning what's on the handout, we could make the
>> information more general than a list of useful tools
>> and services. We could provide a link to the Tools
>> page on ivoa.net <http://ivoa.net/> (making sure the
>> page is up-to-date before AAS).
>>
>> Some ideas:
>> - If we decide to highlight anything, could we
>> highlight the tools/services advertized by the IVOA
>> exhibitors at AAS? For other conferences, we could
>> update the highlighted list to tune to the exhibitors
>> at that meeting
>
> >> This might be useful, but this may run into political
> difficulties if, e.g., all NAVO member partners don’t
> think they are fully represented
>
>
>> - cons: it wouldn't be a great representation of
>> all the work done by IVOA partners; it would be
>> localized to the meeting location
>
> yes, but please be aware: organization specific
> exhibits are not about what other organizations have
> achieved,
>
>> - Be general (e.g., Get Data, Analyze, and Publish
>> -- check out the links. Here's a tiny blurb on what
>> the IVOA is), but point to IVOA partner booths,
>> related presentations (that we know of... this part
>> might be hard at this stage…)
>
> Thus might be the safest route.
>
>
> Great, I'll tailor it this way then. Plus, it gives us the
> opportunity to re-use the general stuff at other conferences.
>
>
>
>> - We could have one handout at the undergraduate
>> reception, and another for tables. I'm thinking,
>> here's a list of tools for getting, analyzing,
>> viewing, sharing data that would be useful to an
>> undergrad student.
>
> Does anyone need to approve material handed out at the
> undergraduate reception?
>
>
> I haven't asked anyone on the AAS short meeting contact
> list, but Rodolfo Montez had originally suggested the
> idea, and since he's an AAS organizer, I'm thinking it's
> OK. I remember random people walking around handing out
> business cards / flyers when I attended the undergrad
> reception in 2013, too. But I'll send an email to one of
> the official contacts just to make sure.
>
>
>
> One approach may be: US is part of the IVOA (through
> the USVOA) , whose protocols are built into services
> released at NED, HEASARC .. and are built into the
> following tools used by astronomers worldwide.
>
> I'll try it, thanks
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Bruce
>
>
>>
>> I'll work on a couple ideas and send it out to the
>> media group by the end of the day (~6:00pm EST). If
>> anyone has more ideas/comments today or tomorrow,
>> please share them and we can work them into the
>> handout drafts.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Jamie
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Bruce
>> Berriman <gbb at ipac.caltech.edu
>> <mailto:gbb at ipac.caltech.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jamie,
>>
>> Thanks for the e-mail. Thanks for offering to get
>> this started - I regret I have a lot of deadlines
>> in the next week (including the NAVO workshop for
>> AAS) and can’t really take on the role of leading
>> another task.
>>
>> There are matters for us to consider though. How
>> would this handout be distributed? An obvious
>> answer is from the from exhibits of organizations
>> involved in VO work. But that may not be that
>> simple. All materials distributed at the IPAC
>> booth have to be approved beforehand (and there
>> are always changes!), and our materials are
>> supposed to be complete by this Friday. I am sure
>> the other organizations have comparable review
>> processes and deadlines.
>>
>> What to include? Again not trivial - let’s say
>> (just for example) we decide to talk about TOPCAT
>> and ESASky. Such a handout would never be
>> permitted at the IPAC booth because IPAC played
>> no part in deploying these services. Now, I don’t
>> have a answer to what we talk about, but I think
>> if distributed through several booths, it has to
>> emphasize things that are of value to the US
>> community that the broader US VO effort was
>> involved in. Will try to find a few cycles in the
>> next day or so to think about this,so I’ll get
>> back to you.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 13, 2017, at 12:06 PM, Budynkiewicz,
>>> Jamie Anne <jbudynkiewicz at cfa.harvard.edu
>>> <mailto:jbudynkiewicz at cfa.harvard.edu>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> One of the items on our list was to come up with
>>> a VO handout for conferences. We have AAS coming
>>> up in a couple weeks (Jan 7-12), plus EWASS in
>>> April.
>>>
>>> So I ask all of us:
>>>
>>> 1.) What VO tools and services should be
>>> highlighted on the handout?
>>> 2.) Who wants to take the lead on making sure
>>> a handout gets sent to the Exec?
>>> - (if no one takes the lead by
>>> Saturday, I'm happy to take it and get something
>>> together)
>>>
>>> I talked with Pepi this week, and she says it'd
>>> be good to have a draft handout for the Exec
>>> telecon meeting next week, **Tuesday, Dec 19**.
>>>
>>> I know it's a bit late in the game, so all
>>> inputs are greatly appreciated. I'll be on
>>> Slack (https://ivoa.slack.com
>>> <https://ivoa.slack.com/>) throughout the week
>>> if people want to brainstorm ideas / show
>>> handout drafts.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Jamie
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jamie A. Budynkiewicz
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>>> Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jamie A. Budynkiewicz
>> Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory
>> Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
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>
>
>
>
> --
> Jamie A. Budynkiewicz
> Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory
> Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
> 100 Acorn Park Dr. R-377 MS-81
> Cambridge, MA 02140
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jamie A. Budynkiewicz
> Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory
> Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
> 100 Acorn Park Dr. R-377 MS-81
> Cambridge, MA 02140
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jamie A. Budynkiewicz
> Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory
> Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
> 100 Acorn Park Dr. R-377 MS-81
> Cambridge, MA 02140
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jamie A. Budynkiewicz
> Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory
> Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
> 100 Acorn Park Dr. R-377 MS-81
> Cambridge, MA 02140
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