New version of the UCD List Maintenance standard - comments by June 23rd

[Marco Molinaro]

Dear Françoise,
dear Semantics,

My first comment on the maintenance document, is that I cannot see why
it shouldn't fit into §4 (or nearby) of the UCD REC.
I know, going for a major revision in the UCD specification my be
painful, but maintaining 2 documents (UCD+maintenance, not to speak
about the UCD list itself) is not less painful in my view.
So, ok for revisioning the maintenance only, for quicker follow up,
but it looks a bit odd to me.

Apart from that, in §1, when describing the involved parties, a
reference is made to the ucd-sci mailing lit.
That's ok, but the list itself is outdated and has no traffic since
2013. So, if we keep that mailing list we should try to enforce its
usage.
Also because (§2.3) states that discussion is meant "...starting from
the day of notification to the members of the board." and I cannot see
another way to alert them but an email.

As for the managing the modifications, I'd prefer having it
UCDlist-version-date-RFM wrt RFM-UCDlist-version-date, because it is
more along the line of what happens in the Errata (even if these are
not errata at all) and keeps also the same accepted/rejected/proposed
schema for its sections.

I have also some problems with §2.4.
I think that the first paragraph (Twice a year [...] than 4 weeks)
should go after the subsequent one (At the end [...] endorsed notes.).
And that reference to historical records of modifications should
simply point to the "Changes" appendix in the EN-UCDlist.
Finally I don't get the reason for the "tmp:" namespace. I mean, is it
really needed to explicit this? If it's a proposed ucd it can have
whatever namespace before approval. If, on the contrary, this is to
say "look, it's tmp, but it surely will be accepted." then, the
"explicit request" is not enough to support it.

Finally, I can agree with Baptiste's request, but in that case the
"Suggested by" details for the RFM must have an email in it or must be
a TWikiName pointing to the appropriate personal TWiki page (that has
to contain contact details).

Cheers,
     Marco

2017-06-18 9:27 GMT+02:00 Francoise Genova <francoise.genova at astro.unistra.fr>:
> Thanks, Baptiste. I will add something about discussion with the proposer
> 'if useful'.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Francoise
>
>
> Le 17/06/2017 à 20:52, Baptiste Cecconi a écrit :
>>
>> Dear Françoise
>>
>> I have a comment on the discussion process presented in the document.
>> Currently, UCD "RFM" are discussed offline or during the Semantics WG at
>> Interop meetings. There is often a discussion between the proposer and "UCD
>> experts", so that the reality of need can be evaluated. I think we should
>> keep the capability to interact with the proposer. This interaction is often
>> an “outreach" action for the UCD teams and it helps the proposer to better
>> understand the UCD concept.
>>
>> I don't think the current document wording prevents the UCD Scientific
>> board, nor the Semantics WG to interact with the proposer, but I think it
>> would be better to mention it specifically.
>>
>> Sincerely
>> Baptiste Cecconi
>>
>>> Le 2 juin 2017 à 15:50, Francoise Genova
>>> <francoise.genova at astro.unistra.fr> a écrit :
>>>
>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>
>>> As discussed during the Semantics session in Shanghai, Mireille and I
>>> have been working on a new version (V2.0) of the UCD List Maintenance
>>> Standard. The basis discussed in Shanghai is to take advantage of the newly
>>> introduced IVOA Endorsed Note process (see
>>> http://www.ivoa.net/documents/DocStd/20170517) to facilitate the updates of
>>> the UCD vocabulary. It is proposed to deprecate the UCD list from
>>> Recommendation to Endorsed Notes, which can be updated to the next version
>>> by TCG agreement instead of going through the whole standardisation process.
>>> The Shanghai session participants insisted on the need that the updates are
>>> made as quickly as possible, and the new process allows to do that while
>>> keeping a formal procedure and cross-WG check. Please note that Endorsed
>>> Notes, like Recommendations, are published in the ADS, which ensures their
>>> visibility.
>>>
>>> I posted the draft UCD List Maintenance Note V2.0 implementing this new
>>> process on the Semantics page, together with a version in track change mode
>>> from the current V1.20, to initiate the discussion "in WG". The documents
>>> are here:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/IvoaSemantics/Note-UCDlistMaintenance-2.0-20170602.pdf
>>> (also attached to this email)
>>>
>>> http://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/IvoaSemantics/Note-UCDlistMaintenance-2.0-20170602_withchanges.pdf
>>>
>>> Your comments are very welcome. Mireille and I would like to be able to
>>> proceed as swiftly as possible, so we invite you to provide your comments by
>>> 23 June so that we can deal with them before the Northern hemisphere
>>> vacation period.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Francoise
>>>
>>> <Note-UCDlistMaintenance-2.0-20170602.pdf>