[Ops] ops mailing list

[Marco Molinaro]

Hi Tom,
ok, let's leave the address grouping out for now.

Checking our mailq I get a set of:

DA3FF100847     7392 Wed May  6 14:18:50  ops-bounces at ivoa.net
(connect to ndjsnpf02.ndc.nasa.gov[2001:4d0:a302:1100::102]:25:
Network is unreachable)
                                         Tom.McGlynn at nasa.gov

one for each tentative mail sent to ops.
Now, I think one way to pursue is to ask your mail-admins whether
mail.ivoa.net is somehow blocked by your mail servers.
This could happen due to black-listings or other issues.
It could be that your mail server is restrictive in terms of what mail
servers can send mail to it, maybe the previous caltech was in the
list but current ivoa.net is not.

I think you're not the only one having this problem, there are other 3
people @nasa.gov in the lists, even if not in currently active ones. I
can name them if you want.

Let me know, I'll continue investigating, only I don't think I have
many chances from this side, all the other lists and addresses seem to
work properly.

Cheers,
    Marco

2015-05-06 15:53 GMT+02:00 Tom McGlynn <Tom.McGlynn at nasa.gov>:
> Hi Marco,
>
> I have not received any mail from the ops mailing list at any time.   My
> current hypothesis is only the
> tam addresses are working and that non of the direct NASA addresses are.  My
> guess is that this has been true since the mailing lists were transferred
> last year, but I don't have records from back that far to confirm.
>
> Any thoughts on what could be causing the mail to fail?  I wonder if there
> are other direct NASA addresses that are working.
>
> Until the direct NASA addresses I don't think it makes sense to try to
> consolidate under those.  If anything I should be thinking about using the
> milkyway or lheapop addresses (I believe these are now aliases to the same
> machine but were different long ago). However if we could get the direct
> NASA addresses to work that would be best.
>
>     Regards,
>
>     Tom
>
>
>
> Marco Molinaro wrote:
>>
>> Dear Tom,
>> here is Marco Molinaro (I do some tech work for Giulia related to IVOA
>> web assets and services).
>> I'm enlisted in ops at ivoa.net to test the list preparation and
>> following a bit the email troubles we/you're facing.
>>
>> Thanks to your further info on your emails I can see (on the mailman
>> lists):
>>
>> Thomas.A.McGlynn at nasa.gov found in:
>>       obs-tap
>>       voql
>>       wgchairs
>>       semantics
>>       ivoa-trusted
>> Tom.McGlynn at nasa.gov found in:
>>       apps-samp
>>       ops
>> tam at lheapop.gsfc.nasa.gov found in:
>>       dal
>>       interop
>>       dm
>>       votable
>>       ivoa-trusted
>> tam at milkyway.gsfc.nasa.gov found in:
>>       dal
>>       interop
>>       ivoa-trusted
>> thomas.a.mcglynn at nasa.gov found in:
>>       registry
>>
>> So, really, apart from case sensitiveness and 'client' side aliasing,
>> it seems you have 3 (2? if lheapop and milkyway are the same) mail
>> addresses sparse on the IVOA lists and duplicating your membership on
>> dal and interop.
>>
>> We can easily group you up in one, I suppose that tom.mcglynn at nasa.gov
>> would be ok; is this ok for you?
>>
>> One think, on the other hand, that I didn't get is: did you actually
>> receive the previous mail sent to ops at ivoa.net or only the one
>> directed specifically to your personal account?
>> I'll send another mail to ops 'only' to let you check once more (will
>> send it simultaneously to this one).
>>
>> Regards
>>       Marco
>>
>>
>>
>> 2015-05-06 15:13 GMT+02:00 Tom McGlynn <Tom.McGlynn at nasa.gov>:
>>>
>>> Dear Giulia (and also sent to the ops list),
>>>
>>> Looking at your message I was intrigued, because it didn't list the two
>>> groups under which I've been receiving the bulk of IVOA mail, the DAL and
>>> DM
>>> groups.  Conversely I don't recall getting mail from any of the other
>>> groups
>>> recently.
>>> Nor have I gotten anything from the ops group this morning.
>>>
>>> Looking at some of the headers for the mail I have received, I noted that
>>> it
>>> looks like they are actually using
>>> a very old address
>>>     tam at milkyway.gsfc.nasa.gov
>>> which looks from my non-expert reading of the mail headers to be
>>> translated
>>> at Goddard into my standard NASA mail address.
>>>
>>> If this is correct, then it looks like what is happening is that no email
>>> sent by the IVOA list servers is getting to me when it is sent using my
>>> nominal NASA addresses.  My official address is thomas.a.mcglynn at nasa.gov
>>> and we're allowed to set up a shorter alias which I've made
>>> tom.mcglynn at nasa.gov.   My understanding is that E-mail names are case
>>> insensitive, so it shouldn't matter which of the versions you note below
>>> are
>>> being used.  Indeed it appears that it does not: they are all failing!
>>>
>>> One quick solution would be to use the tam at milkyway but I'd certainly be
>>> interested in understanding why the proper address isn't working.  Any
>>> thoughts?
>>>      Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> Giulia Iafrate wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Tom,
>>>>
>>>> today I and Marco have done some tests on the obs mailing list and have
>>>> registered you with email address "Tom.McGlynn at nasa.gov
>>>> <mailto:Tom.McGlynn at nasa.gov>".
>>>>
>>>> At the moment the only three members are us, so we can do any test.
>>>>
>>>> Please tell us if you receive this email and try to reply to
>>>> ops at ivoa.net
>>>> <mailto:ops at ivoa.net>.
>>>>
>>>> p.s. after a check you turn out to be registered to the folloowing lists
>>>> with three different email addresses:
>>>>
>>>> Thomas.A.McGlynn at nasa.gov <mailto:Thomas.A.McGlynn at nasa.gov> found in:
>>>>       obs-tap
>>>>       voql
>>>>       wgchairs
>>>>       semantics
>>>>       ivoa-trusted
>>>> Tom.McGlynn at nasa.gov <mailto:Tom.McGlynn at nasa.gov> found in:
>>>>       apps-samp
>>>>       ops
>>>> thomas.a.mcglynn at nasa.gov <mailto:thomas.a.mcglynn at nasa.gov> found in:
>>>>       registry
>>>>
>>>> Do you want to make them uniform? I can move "Thomas.A.McGlynn" and
>>>> "thomas.a.mcglynn" to "Tom.McGlynn".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Giulia
>>>>
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