DOODLE Data annotation workshop

[Laurent Michel]

Hello,

Let me remind you that an Evento has been open for the next week meeting.

  https://evento.renater.fr/survey/dm-running-meeting-nyq6z8mr <https://evento.renater.fr/survey/dm-running-meeting-nyq6z8mr>

LM JS

> On 17 Feb 2021, at 16:55, Laurent Michel <laurent.michel at astro.unistra.fr> wrote:
> 
> Dear VO,
> 
> In November, we sent around the message quoted below announcing the setting up of a workshop focus on the strategy to adopt for the data annotation.
> Nothing happened publicly since that time for different reasons, but the project has made good progress nevertheless.
> 
> We propose to resume the operations with the following roadmap:
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> - Opening a public repository where use cases have been collected.
> - Running a short meeting to present the process
>   * This meeting will take place by the end of the next week
>       https://evento.renater.fr/survey/dm-running-meeting-nyq6z8mr <https://evento.renater.fr/survey/dm-running-meeting-nyq6z8mr>
> - Let people  about one month to look or to provide input
> - Collecting feedback from data providers, data annoters, data consumers or anybody else
> - Running a virtual workshop
> - Presenting the outcome at the next V-Interop
>  
> The repository is available here
> 
>     https://github.com/ivoa/dm-usecases <https://github.com/ivoa/dm-usecases>
> 
> - Most of the use cases have been taken out  from the Source DM proposal (2016)
> - Some of the MANGO proposals have been added
> - Each use case is located in specific directory containing 
>   - A short description (README)
>   - A VOTable  matching the case
>   - One subdirectory per proposal 
> 
> I have included proposals based on the Mango/ModelInstInVot tandem I’m working on as a workable solution and as a way
> to push forward the concrete outcomes of the ideas presented for more than one year but, obviously, any other proposals
> are really welcome.
> 
> Laurent & Jesus
> 
> Laurent Michel
> SSC XMM-Newton
> Tél : +33 (0)3 68 85 24 37
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> 
>> https://ivoa.slack.com/archives/C013EH5C649/p1606313182002100 <https://ivoa.slack.com/archives/C013EH5C649/p1606313182002100>
>> During last Interop we had a session, requested by Markus, that aimed at opening 
>> a wide discussion on both Measurements and Coordinate models and possibly at 
>> refining their usages.
>> 
>>   https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpNov2020DM <https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpNov2020DM>
>> 
>> This came after a long discussion on the mailing list, related to the necessity of keeping 
>> or not a tight dependancy between Measurements and Coordinates. 
>> It has also been suggested that product models (e.g. CubeDM ) could be replaced with 
>> domain related components.
>> 
>> Many people have participated to the discussion with many positive contributions. 
>> Although the goal of this message is not to report on that meeting, we do need to note 
>> a few points:
>> - There is a clear demand for using models
>> - There is a clear demand for the models to be simple and modular.
>> - The distinction between what is modelling and what is serialisation is unclear.
>> 
>> The need for a concrete solution for annotating catalog data, that resurfaced last week, 
>> has been tackled by the WG for a couple of years along with the development of 
>> Measurements/Coordinates models.
>> - 2018: Discussions have been engaged on this topic after a hands-on session in Victoria. 
>>             https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/SourceCatalogs <https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/SourceCatalogs>
>> - 2019: We asked data providers and client developers to present their needs in a dedicated 
>>             session at Paris
>>             https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2019DM <https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpMay2019DM>
>> 
>> After these 2 surveys the scope of the model usage has been exposed in Virtual May and 
>> we have been working on MANGO (model for source data with some MC adaptations ) 
>> that has been sketched in both Groningen and virtual-May and then presented last week.
>> 
>>     https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2020DM/Mango_interopFall2020.pdf <https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpNov2020DM/Mango_interopFall2020.pdf>
>> 
>> To continue this action we propose to organise a virtual workshop (initial proposal by Tom 
>> to the TCG) with the hope of getting a widely accepted framework.
>> 
>> The idea is not to start afresh but to give to the participants the opportunity of matching 
>> their needs with the current proposals.
>> To get a clear picture of what has to be done, we propose to work with a variety concrete 
>> use cases and data samples provided by interested people. 
>> We will then take a bit of time to exercice different options on this material before organising 
>> the meeting where everyone will be able to present their own conclusion.
>> 
>> Details of this action will be released soon, unless someone has a clear veto.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Laurent - Jesus
>> 
>> PS You will be able to follow the topic on  #data-models at Slack
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