VO or VObs

[Tony Linde]

> Looking into the grid world, the concept of a VO seems to 
> come alongside what AstroGrid terms 'groups' (eg see 

Well, groups in the sense of security and access control, but 'community' in
the sense of having a home base. Grid world seems to conflate the two
concepts which AstroGrid separates.

I'll stop - I'm confusing myself now.

(Don't we all witter on so when the temperature goes above 25degC?  :)

Cheers,
Tony.  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-interop at eso.org [mailto:owner-interop at eso.org] On 
> Behalf Of Tony Linde
> Sent: 08 June 2004 16:16
> To: interop at ivoa.net
> Subject: RE: VO or VObs
> 
> Looking into the grid world, the concept of a VO seems to 
> come alongside what AstroGrid terms 'groups' (eg see 
> http://web.datagrid.cnr.it/LearnMore/QuickStart/step2.html). 
> 
> The VObs would therefore need to encompass the concept of 
> multiple VOs (as I guessed below). Certainly, as we develop 
> the idea of VOSpace (MySpace +
> MyDb) it'll need to encompass grid concepts of security and 
> might get confusing if we're using two different meanings of 
> VO in the same document.
> 
> So I think I'll stick to using the term VO for virtual 
> organisations and VObs for the virtual observatory. But for 
> any document which *only* talks about the virtual 
> observatory, there should be no problem with using VO after 
> its first definition.
> 
> Cheers,
> Tony. 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-interop at eso.org [mailto:owner-interop at eso.org] 
> On Behalf 
> > Of Tony Linde
> > Sent: 07 June 2004 20:54
> > To: 'Maria A. Nieto-Santisteban'; 'Guy Rixon'
> > Cc: 'Wil O'Mullane'; interop at ivoa.net
> > Subject: RE: VO or VObs
> > 
> > I don't think it matters too much. As with Guy, I use VObs in case 
> > stuff I write gets read outside of this community and VO 
> when I want 
> > to refer to a Virtual Organisation specifically.
> > 
> > > You don't have to give any explanation, we are actually 
> lucky since 
> > > our our Virtual Organization is called Virtual Observatory.
> > 
> > I'm not sure they're exactly equivalent. The VObs encompasses 
> > everything in the world of astronomy (or will do) which is probably 
> > more than what is meant by the concept of a VO.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Tony. 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-interop at eso.org [mailto:owner-interop at eso.org]
> > On Behalf
> > > Of Maria A. Nieto-Santisteban
> > > Sent: 07 June 2004 20:26
> > > To: Guy Rixon
> > > Cc: Wil O'Mullane; interop at ivoa.net
> > > Subject: Re: VO or VObs
> > > 
> > > In my modest opinion ....
> > > 
> > > On Mon, 7
> > > Jun 2004, Guy Rixon wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I started using VObs instead of VO because much of what I
> > > write goes
> > > > eventually to grid audiences. They think VO means Virtual 
> > > > Organization. I got bored with having to explain the terms.
> > > 
> > > You don't have to give any explanation, we are actually 
> lucky since 
> > > our our Virtual Organization is called Virtual Observatory.
> > > 
> > > > Inside IVOA, I don't care whether we use VO or VObs.
> > > 
> > > Now that everything is called VOServices, VOTable, 
> VOList, VOSpace, 
> > > VOApplications, IVOA, etc., changing the name to Vobs will
> > bring only
> > > unnecessary confusion.
> > > 
> > > Maria
> > > 
> > > > Vobs makes better wiki-words than VO, mind.
> > > > 
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Guy
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Wil O'Mullane wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > I see the use of VO for Virtual Observatory (I use it
> > myself) but
> > > > > also I notice (particulalry our AstroGrid colleques) use
> > > VObs for
> > > > > Virtual observatory
> > > > >
> > > > > Do we have one we should use in our IVOA documents ? In
> > > particular I
> > > > > wish to do the next draft of VOSupportInterfaces but
> > > should that be
> > > > > VObsSupportInterfaces as Guy names it ?
> > > > >
> > > > > wil
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Guy Rixon 				        
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> > > > 
> > > 
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