[Heig] Fwd: HEIG Interop Plenary planning & notes from Aug30 mtg

Thu Sep 26 10:52:44 CEST 2024

Dear all,

to follow on propositions for chair and vice-chair as raised by Bruno, I 
think that, together with IVOA experts,  it would be good to associate 
someone with experience in at least one of the experiments.
To me Bruno is the right person with many "hats" (CTAO, VODF, some 
obscore knowledge...)

Best regards,
Catherine

Le 23/09/2024 à 11:18, Bruno Khelifi via heig a écrit :
>
> Dear all,
>
> I might be travelling during this time slot, returning from the RICAP 
> meeting. So I apologize for my absence....
> I have put additional comments about the note on gitlab after a second 
> reading. Otherwise, I could be present in Malta to support the group 
> if needed, just let me know in order to book my travel in advance.
>
> As I could probably not be present during the next meeting, I give 
> here my opinion about your important point about the C and the VC. I 
> personally feel that Janet and Mathieu could be the leading tandem for 
> our interest group, in the continuity of their animation/leading role 
> they have had up to here, and offering a HE/VHE balanced tandem of 
> IVOA experts.
>
> Otherwise, for information, in the continuity of our previous 
> discussion about the link between the alerts and the HEIG, I heard 
> during the Sept. Fermi symposium a presentation about AI usage to read 
> GCN alerts. This appears to me like a headlong rush: by refusing to 
> primary use machine-readable formats like VOEvent (that might need a 
> refreshment to cover the new GW and HE use cases!), the use of very 
> complicated tools having a high carbon footprint permits to transform 
> a text into machine-readable information. This is a bit sad when 
> formats exist and not used. This is why I personally think that the 
> work into IVOA is very important.
> AS consequence, the creation of the HEIG is for me a very urgent 
> action that will serve the whole community, us of course in HE->UHE 
> with photons and neutrinos, but also for the other astrophysics domain 
> by offering a fresh vision on standards based on our daily science use 
> cases and by proposing updated recommendations.
>
> The best,
> Bruno
>
>
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> Sujet : 	Re: [Heig] HEIG Interop Plenary planning & notes from Aug30 mtg
> Date : 	Fri, 20 Sep 2024 11:55:44 -0400
> De : 	Janet Evans via heig <heig at ivoa.net>
> Répondre à : 	Janet Evans <janet at cfa.harvard.edu>
> Pour : 	Mathieu Servillat <mathieu.servillat at obspm.fr>, heig at ivoa.net, 
> KOSACK Karl <karl.kosack at cea.fr>
>
>
>
> Hi Mathieu/All,
>
> I planned to send a similar suggestion to move the mtg.  The TCG and 
> HEIG meeting ended up on the same day/time.
>
> *Moving HEIG to ===>>>  Fri, Sep 27 @14:30 UTC works for me!!*
> Folks, please let us know if this is a bad time and I will send a poll 
> for an alternate if needed.
>
> With regard to the session, I sent the outline to this group and 
> responded to 2 emails.  With no further discussion, I gave CSP the OK 
> to pursue invitations.  Hopefully that will happen in the next few 
> days and we’ll have a program to discuss when we meet.  I consider 
> this a JOINT session - HEIG/CSP - no one gorup is leading.
>
> My concern too is the state of the HEIG Note.   Please folks, if you 
> have actions to pursue, please help out and let’s get that doc in good 
> shape.
> Here’s a link to notes and action from the last meeting ... the Doc 
> actions are there.
> HEIG_30Aug24 < IVOA < TWiki 
> <https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/HEIG_30Aug24>
> wiki.ivoa.net <https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/HEIG_30Aug24>
> 	<https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/HEIG_30Aug24>
>
> <https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/HEIG_30Aug24>
>
> We also need to discuss who will be Chair and V Chair of the group so 
> we have a recommendation to the Exec.  This is one of their concerns … 
> it’s often difficult for them to fill position and I believe it will 
> help them out.  For an interest group, it will be best to be a 
> scientist for at least the chair position.  Also, FYI - it is a 3 year 
> position.  If you are interested, please let me/Mathieu know.
>
> Thanks,
> -janet
>
>
>> On Sep 20, 2024, at 11:23 AM, Mathieu Servillat 
>> <mathieu.servillat at obspm.fr> wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Would it be possible to move the next meeting to 14:30 UTC ? (so Fri, 
>> Sep 27 @14:30 UTC instead of 13 UTC), I won't be available before.
>>
>> I also wonder if there are updates on the program of this plenary 
>> session and if it is now planned? I understand that CSP is taking the 
>> lead on this session and that our part is to wrap up the discussion 
>> with a case for an IG?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Mathieu
>>
>>
>> Le 06/09/2024 à 16:21, KOSACK Karl a écrit :
>>>> On Sep 6, 2024, at 15:07, Mathieu Servillat via heig 
>>>> <heig at ivoa.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> thanks Janet for the proposition, I see that you reached 
>>>> interesting conclusions at the CSP meeting yesterday, and that High 
>>>> Energy is accepted as one of the priorities :-). As we agreed, it 
>>>> will be a good exposition for the HE, particularly if it is 
>>>> supported by CSP, and the session should focus on scientific use 
>>>> cases and needs.
>>>>
>>>> My initial comment on the program is that there is a mention of 
>>>> "X-ray and Gamma-ray", and then "Very high energy", which is also 
>>>> gamma-ray. Or is it another aspect of gamma-ray?
>>> Maybe would be better as:
>>>
>>> - space telescopes : X-ray to GeV Gamma-rays
>>> - ground-based telescopes: >GeV Gamma-rays
>>>
>>> Since that is really where the difference in use cases are. The 
>>> latter would contain both IACTs (e.g. CTAO) and WCTs (e.g 
>>> SWGO/HAWC/LHASSO). Although those also have quite different needs 
>>> for the data model, so that could even be split further into 
>>> "pointed instruments" (CTAO, HESS, etc) and "wide-field instruments" 
>>> (SWGO/HAWC/etc).
>>>
>>>
>>>> There is a topic on Gravitational Waves, but nothing on Neutrinos, 
>>>> though we identified more commonalities with Neutrinos 
>>>> observatories. Shouldn't we split this contribution in 2 shorter 
>>>> presentations?
>>>>
>>>> The questions to ask to the speakers make me think of what we asked 
>>>> for the workshops we organised 1 and 2 years ago. The first one was 
>>>> a per-instrument overview 
>>>> (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://indico.obspm.fr/event/1489/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1727450643000000&usg=AOvVaw37H7ohdtJVyw9QRaTj6uYD 
>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://indico.obspm.fr/event/1489/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1727450643000000&usg=AOvVaw37H7ohdtJVyw9QRaTj6uYD>) 
>>>> and quite focused on event-lists and alerts. And the second asked 
>>>> for presentation of science use cases on high-energy data, in terms 
>>>> of data access and analysis for different experiments 
>>>> (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://indico.obspm.fr/event/1963/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1727450643000000&usg=AOvVaw0JOIDKCMx6Ffk_DbcsITwl 
>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://indico.obspm.fr/event/1963/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1727450643000000&usg=AOvVaw0JOIDKCMx6Ffk_DbcsITwl>). 
>>>> It was more centered on a few observatories (Chandra, HESS, XMM). 
>>>> Anyway, it was quite interesting to highlight the specificities and 
>>>> need of the HE domain in the VO.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Mathieu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le 05/09/2024 à 23:04, Janet Evans via heig a écrit :
>>>>> Dear HEIG Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Some movement since our meeting last Friday on the Plenary session.
>>>>>
>>>>> At the Aug30 HEIG meeting, Francesca suggested to work with the 
>>>>> IVOA Committee for Science Priorities (CSP) on a plenary session 
>>>>> combining High Energy and TDAMM.  We’re also coordinating with the 
>>>>> Time Domain IG.  With this approach we have High Energy science 
>>>>> talks covering the various wavebands and ask the speakers to 
>>>>> answer a set of questions to cover topics of interest in the IVOA 
>>>>> and HEIG group.  At the end of the session, we will plan a wrap-up 
>>>>> talk by a HEIG member summarizing the overlap with IVOA, 
>>>>> highlighting the HEIG Note we’ve been working on, and making our 
>>>>> ‘ask’ to become an IVOA interest group. Does this sound good to 
>>>>> folks??
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is an outline we were thinking for the session:
>>>>>     • 18+2 - X-ray and Gamma-ray
>>>>>     • 18+2 - GW LVK and Einstein Telescopes
>>>>>     • 18+2 - Very high energy
>>>>>     • 18+2 - Alert Services
>>>>>     • 10 minutes talk from HEIG representative asking for the IG 
>>>>> status
>>>>>
>>>>> We picked some people both in and out of the HEIG group as 
>>>>> speakers. It is a good list but perhaps too early to share in an 
>>>>> email group.  Ada and Francesca had good ideas and I provided HEIG 
>>>>> names.  Here are the questions we put together to ask the speakers 
>>>>> to address:
>>>>>    o How does your project make their data discoverable?  Are data 
>>>>> from your project in the IVOA registry?  Are there problems in the 
>>>>> IVOA Obscore definition preventing or limiting it?
>>>>>    o What data products are used in your data analysis and are 
>>>>> they interoperable with data from other projects?  Do you use a 
>>>>> data model?
>>>>>    o What do you use for an alert system?  Do you use VOevent, and 
>>>>> if not, can you address the issues you see?
>>>>>    o How do you coordinate follow up observations currently?  Are 
>>>>> the Observing plan of your project/mission available externally 
>>>>> and is there coordination of your project/mission among the HE 
>>>>> projects?   Are you familiar with the IVOA ObsLocTAP protocol and 
>>>>> ObjObsSAP working draft of the IVOA?
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking for feedback … especially if you have strong feeling 
>>>>> against this plan.  I think personally it will be the session we 
>>>>> need.  Given the 3 day meeting, combining with CSP & Time Domain 
>>>>> IG who are willing to help is good too.  We’re looking to get 
>>>>> invitations out next week so folks can plan their travel.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, I wrote up the notes to out Aug 30 meeting.  Let me know if I 
>>>>> missed you on the ‘attendee list’ , if the actions are accurate, 
>>>>> and if there was something significant I missed in the discussion. 
>>>>> https://www.google.com/url?q=https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/HEIG_30Aug24&source=gmail-imap&ust=1727450643000000&usg=AOvVaw3mnPCjV1FOviKO5gA_ITTd 
>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/HEIG_30Aug24&source=gmail-imap&ust=1727450643000000&usg=AOvVaw3mnPCjV1FOviKO5gA_ITTd>
>>>>> Our next meeting in Fri, Sep 27 @13 UTC.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> -janet
>>>>>
>>>>> ——————Janet Evans
>>>>> Chandra Data System Software Development Manager
>>>>> Chandra X-ray Center
>>>>> Center for Astrophysics | Harvard & Smithsonian
>>>>>
>>>>> Office: (617) 495 7160 | Cell: (617) 688 6084
>>>>> 60 Garden Street | MS 81 | Cambridge, MA 02138
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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