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Dear all,<br>
<br>
to follow on propositions for chair and vice-chair as raised by
Bruno, I think that, together with IVOA experts, it would be good
to associate someone with experience in at least one of the
experiments. <br>
To me Bruno is the right person with many "hats" (CTAO, VODF, some
obscore knowledge...)<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Catherine<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 23/09/2024 à 11:18, Bruno Khelifi
via heig a écrit :<br>
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<p>Dear all,</p>
<p>I might be travelling during this time slot, returning from the
RICAP meeting. So I apologize for my absence....<br>
I have put additional comments about the note on gitlab after a
second reading. Otherwise, I could be present in Malta to
support the group if needed, just let me know in order to book
my travel in advance.</p>
<p>As I could probably not be present during the next meeting, I
give here my opinion about your important point about the C and
the VC. I personally feel that Janet and Mathieu could be the
leading tandem for our interest group, in the continuity of
their animation/leading role they have had up to here, and
offering a HE/VHE balanced tandem of IVOA experts.</p>
<p>Otherwise, for information, in the continuity of our previous
discussion about the link between the alerts and the HEIG, I
heard during the Sept. Fermi symposium a presentation about AI
usage to read GCN alerts. This appears to me like a headlong
rush: by refusing to primary use machine-readable formats like
VOEvent (that might need a refreshment to cover the new GW and
HE use cases!), the use of very complicated tools having a high
carbon footprint permits to transform a text into
machine-readable information. This is a bit sad when formats
exist and not used. This is why I personally think that the work
into IVOA is very important.<br>
AS consequence, the creation of the HEIG is for me a very urgent
action that will serve the whole community, us of course in
HE->UHE with photons and neutrinos, but also for the other
astrophysics domain by offering a fresh vision on standards
based on our daily science use cases and by proposing updated
recommendations. <br>
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The best,<br>
Bruno
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KOSACK Karl <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
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<div>Hi Mathieu/All,</div>
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I planned to send a similar suggestion to move the mtg. The TCG
and HEIG meeting ended up on the same day/time.
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<div><b>Moving HEIG to ===>>> Fri, Sep 27 @14:30 UTC
works for me!!</b>
<div>Folks, please let us know if this is a bad time and I
will send a poll for an alternate if needed.</div>
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<div>With regard to the session, I sent the outline to this
group and responded to 2 emails. With no further
discussion, I gave CSP the OK to pursue invitations.
Hopefully that will happen in the next few days and we’ll
have a program to discuss when we meet. I consider this a
JOINT session - HEIG/CSP - no one gorup is leading.</div>
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<div>My concern too is the state of the HEIG Note. Please
folks, if you have actions to pursue, please help out and
let’s get that doc in good shape.</div>
<div>Here’s a link to notes and action from the last meeting
... the Doc actions are there.</div>
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<div>We also need to discuss who will be Chair and V Chair of
the group so we have a recommendation to the Exec. This is
one of their concerns … it’s often difficult for them to
fill position and I believe it will help them out. For an
interest group, it will be best to be a scientist for at
least the chair position. Also, FYI - it is a 3 year
position. If you are interested, please let me/Mathieu
know.</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
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it be possible to move the next meeting to 14:30 UTC
? (so Fri, Sep 27 @14:30 UTC instead of 13 UTC), I
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also wonder if there are updates on the program of
this plenary session and if it is now planned? I
understand that CSP is taking the lead on this
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06/09/2024 à 16:21, KOSACK Karl a écrit :</span><br
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<blockquote type="cite">On Sep 6, 2024, at 15:07,
Mathieu Servillat via heig <a
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wrote:<br>
<br>
Hi all,<br>
<br>
thanks Janet for the proposition, I see that you
reached interesting conclusions at the CSP meeting
yesterday, and that High Energy is accepted as one
of the priorities :-). As we agreed, it will be a
good exposition for the HE, particularly if it is
supported by CSP, and the session should focus on
scientific use cases and needs.<br>
<br>
My initial comment on the program is that there is
a mention of "X-ray and Gamma-ray", and then "Very
high energy", which is also gamma-ray. Or is it
another aspect of gamma-ray?<br>
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Maybe would be better as:<br>
<br>
- space telescopes : X-ray to GeV Gamma-rays<br>
- ground-based telescopes: >GeV Gamma-rays<br>
<br>
Since that is really where the difference in use
cases are. The latter would contain both IACTs (e.g.
CTAO) and WCTs (e.g SWGO/HAWC/LHASSO). Although
those also have quite different needs for the data
model, so that could even be split further into
"pointed instruments" (CTAO, HESS, etc) and
"wide-field instruments" (SWGO/HAWC/etc).<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">There is a topic on
Gravitational Waves, but nothing on Neutrinos,
though we identified more commonalities with
Neutrinos observatories. Shouldn't we split this
contribution in 2 shorter presentations?<br>
<br>
The questions to ask to the speakers make me think
of what we asked for the workshops we organised 1
and 2 years ago. The first one was a
per-instrument overview (<a
href="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://indico.obspm.fr/event/1489/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1727450643000000&usg=AOvVaw37H7ohdtJVyw9QRaTj6uYD"
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and quite focused on event-lists and alerts. And
the second asked for presentation of science use
cases on high-energy data, in terms of data access
and analysis for different experiments (<a
href="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://indico.obspm.fr/event/1963/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1727450643000000&usg=AOvVaw0JOIDKCMx6Ffk_DbcsITwl"
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It was more centered on a few observatories
(Chandra, HESS, XMM). Anyway, it was quite
interesting to highlight the specificities and
need of the HE domain in the VO.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Mathieu<br>
<br>
<br>
Le 05/09/2024 à 23:04, Janet Evans via heig a
écrit :<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Dear HEIG Folks,<br>
<br>
Some movement since our meeting last Friday on
the Plenary session.<br>
<br>
At the Aug30 HEIG meeting, Francesca suggested
to work with the IVOA Committee for Science
Priorities (CSP) on a plenary session combining
High Energy and TDAMM. We’re also coordinating
with the Time Domain IG. With this approach we
have High Energy science talks covering the
various wavebands and ask the speakers to answer
a set of questions to cover topics of interest
in the IVOA and HEIG group. At the end of the
session, we will plan a wrap-up talk by a HEIG
member summarizing the overlap with IVOA,
highlighting the HEIG Note we’ve been working
on, and making our ‘ask’ to become an IVOA
interest group. Does this sound good to folks??<br>
<br>
Here is an outline we were thinking for the
session:<br>
• 18+2 - X-ray and Gamma-ray<br>
• 18+2 - GW LVK and Einstein Telescopes<br>
• 18+2 - Very high energy<br>
• 18+2 - Alert Services<br>
• 10 minutes talk from HEIG representative
asking for the IG status<br>
<br>
We picked some people both in and out of the
HEIG group as speakers. It is a good list but
perhaps too early to share in an email group.
Ada and Francesca had good ideas and I provided
HEIG names. Here are the questions we put
together to ask the speakers to address:<br>
o How does your project make their data
discoverable? Are data from your project in the
IVOA registry? Are there problems in the IVOA
Obscore definition preventing or limiting it?<br>
o What data products are used in your data
analysis and are they interoperable with data
from other projects? Do you use a data model?<br>
o What do you use for an alert system? Do
you use VOevent, and if not, can you address the
issues you see?<br>
o How do you coordinate follow up
observations currently? Are the Observing plan
of your project/mission available externally and
is there coordination of your project/mission
among the HE projects? Are you familiar with
the IVOA ObsLocTAP protocol and ObjObsSAP
working draft of the IVOA?<br>
<br>
Looking for feedback … especially if you have
strong feeling against this plan. I think
personally it will be the session we need.
Given the 3 day meeting, combining with CSP
& Time Domain IG who are willing to help is
good too. We’re looking to get invitations out
next week so folks can plan their travel.<br>
<br>
BTW, I wrote up the notes to out Aug 30 meeting.
Let me know if I missed you on the ‘attendee
list’ , if the actions are accurate, and if
there was something significant I missed in the
discussion. <a
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Our next meeting in Fri, Sep 27 @13 UTC.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
-janet<br>
<br>
——————Janet Evans<br>
Chandra Data System Software Development Manager<br>
Chandra X-ray Center<br>
Center for Astrophysics | Harvard &
Smithsonian<br>
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