Definitive version of the VOTable schema for web services

[Matthew Graham]

Hi,

I agree entirely with you, Doug. There, however, a number of services  
such as OpenSkyQuery,  SkyNodes, CasJobs, WESIX, etc. which give  
VOTable in response. The easiest way to use these for complete  
beginners is to use wsdl2java or wsdl2py and then just employ the  
client stubs. It takes a certain amount of experience and knowledge to  
bypass these tools and deal with VOTable directly in client calls with  
SOAP.

	Cheers,

	Matthew


On Jul 29, 2008, at 7:51 PM, Doug Tody wrote:

> Hi -
>
> I sympathize with the folks who don't much care about automatically
> code-binding a VOTable, as this makes little sense for such a complex
> object, however we have little need for a recursive constructs in
> a table mechanism.  Simplifying the schema would have little effect
> on any existing, heavily used code but could simplify these SOAP use
> cases so might be worthwhile in any case.  On the other hand, why are
> we referencing something as large and complex as the VOTable schema
> at all in a SOAP call? (the same question would apply to something
> like STC).  There ought to be a way to pass-through the VOTable as a
> string without need to reference the schema.  The schema should only  
> be
> used for simple function arguments can be bound to language datatypes.
>
> 	- Doug
>
>
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008, Matthew Graham wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I really think that this has to come from the VOTable WG, even if  
>> it is now
>> officially dormant. We have complained about this enough for long  
>> enough that
>> it is shocking that we do not have a solution. Hopefully, one of  
>> the other
>> national projects is sitting on a version of VOTable that actually  
>> works with
>> all the code binders so it's minimal effort.
>>
>> 	Cheers,
>>
>> 	Matthew
>>
>> On Jul 29, 2008, at 6:44 PM, Roy Williams wrote:
>>
>>> If only there were some really smart person who understands XML  
>>> schema and
>>> WSDL and all that -- who would be kind enough to volunteer to help  
>>> the IVOA
>>> by proposing a universal VOTable schema.
>>> Roy
>>>
>>>
>>> Matthew Graham wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I know it has and it's normally this time of year that I  
>>>> make the
>>>> same request. It would be nice if we could actually sort this out  
>>>> once and
>>>> for all.
>>>>
>>>>  Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>  Matthew
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 29, 2008, at 6:02 PM, Alberto Conti wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I hope you will have more success that I had pointing this out.
>>>>> It has been this way since a long long time ago....
>>>>> -A
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 29, 2008, at 8:18 PM, Matthew Graham wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The VOTable schema that exists on the IVOA web site cannot just  
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> imported into a WSDL document. There are several web services,  
>>>>>> e.g.
>>>>>> Open SkyQuery, SkyNode, WESIX, which have produced their own  
>>>>>> version
>>>>>> of the schema to work with WSDL - essentially all the  
>>>>>> complexTypes
>>>>>> need to be named and globally defined instead of being  
>>>>>> anonymous under
>>>>>> the elements. I was wondering whether the VOTable group could  
>>>>>> produce
>>>>>> a sanctioned version of the VOTable 1.1 schema that will work  
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> WSDL?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Matthew
>>>>>
>>>>> Dr Alberto Conti
>>>>> Community Missions Office
>>>>> Space Telescope Science Institute
>>>>> contact | tel: 410-338-4534 | aim: wscience
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> California Institute of Technology
>>> 626 395 3670
>>>
>>
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