I've just tried the "join CAcert link" at www.cacert.org. My browser (Firefox 0.9) reckons there's something dodgy about the site certificate for www.cacert.org itself. Not promising. Guy Rixon gtr at ast.cam.ac.uk Institute of Astronomy Tel: +44-1223-337542 Madingley Road, Cambridge, UK, CB3 0HA Fax: +44-1223-337523