[csp] CSP meeting - September 30 at 20UTC
ada nebot
ada.nebot at astro.unistra.fr
Thu Sep 30 21:48:12 CEST 2021
Hi Janet,
Thanks a lot for forwarding this. It can indeed be useful. In the google doc I don’t see the responses from the projects. Is this somewhere else ?
Cheers,
Ada
> On 30 Sep 2021, at 19:51, Janet Evans <janet at cfa.harvard.edu> wrote:
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> Hi Ada/CSP folks,
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> A year ago there was a discussion on the CSP, activities, and I even dug up a survey from 2015/16 with feedback. I’m sending this thread (see below - already circulated to the CSP & TCG at the time) to help the meeting today or provide ideas/topics for future discussion.
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> See you at 20:00 UTC.
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> Hope it helps,
> -janet
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>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: Janet Evans <janet at cfa.harvard.edu <mailto:janet at cfa.harvard.edu>>
>> Subject: Re: [csp] possible revision of the CSP chart
>> Date: November 13, 2020 at 12:38:25 PM EST
>> To: Bruno Merin <bruno.merin at sciops.esa.int <mailto:bruno.merin at sciops.esa.int>>
>> Cc: tcg IVOA <tcg at ivoa.net <mailto:tcg at ivoa.net>>, csp <csp at ivoa.net <mailto:csp at ivoa.net>>
>>
>> Hi Bruno & everyone following this thread,
>>
>> Circa 2015/2016, we had a CSP meeting during the Interop in Sydney and then a Focus Session in Stellenbosch with an aim of refocusing/re-energizing the CSP. Today I found my notes from the Sydney meeting, a link to the survey questions and responses, and my notes from the session in Stellenbosch. (Nothing official in my notes, my but perhaps a memory jogger.)
>>
>> We learned some things during that effort and now may be the time to review the 2016 Focus session program, the survey questions & responses, and some of the ideas floated at the Sydney CSP meeting on how to move forward with CSP endeavors. The information is attached below.
>>
>> Hope it helps,
>> -janet
>>
>>
>> Survey Questions/responses from Projects:
>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/19bF_tmJ9FYm1Zs-cgOOr70Va-s_IO3fDV8Th5EdjS1Y/edit?ts=57f50c4f#responses <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/19bF_tmJ9FYm1Zs-cgOOr70Va-s_IO3fDV8Th5EdjS1Y/edit?ts=57f50c4f#responses>
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> <CSP_22Oct16.rtf>
> <FocSession.rtf>
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>> Begin forwarded message:
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>> From: "Berriman, Graham (Bruce)" <gbb at ipac.caltech.edu <mailto:gbb at ipac.caltech.edu>>
>> Subject: Re: [csp] possible revision of the CSP chart
>> Date: November 4, 2020 at 11:56:16 AM EST
>> To: Bruno Merin <bruno.merin at sciops.esa.int <mailto:bruno.merin at sciops.esa.int>>
>> Cc: Janet Evans <janet at cfa.harvard.edu <mailto:janet at cfa.harvard.edu>>, tcg IVOA <tcg at ivoa.net <mailto:tcg at ivoa.net>>, csp <csp at ivoa.net <mailto:csp at ivoa.net>>
>>
>> Hi Bruno
>>
>> Hope you are keeping safe and well. Thank you for you comments. I would like, if I may, to propose a slightly different perspective. Rather than champion the standards we have, engage projects and understand what they need, and then demonstrate to them how the IVOA can help, including whether we can save them money. If that means we have to evolve standards on a short timescale, then so be it. My biggest concern would be engaging highly visible projects that have no connection to the IVOA. I am not sure how many are in this category (not many I hope!), but I think engagement would require particular care.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>>> On Nov 3, 2020, at 9:46 AM, Bruno Merin <bruno.merin at sciops.esa.int <mailto:bruno.merin at sciops.esa.int>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Janet,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks very much for your comments. I fully endorse your opinions that an active CSP should be talking to the science community and championing use-cases for the many standards being developed inside the IVOA. Are there any further thoughts on how to achieve that better?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Bruno
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 29 Oct 2020, at 17:31, Janet Evans <janet at cfa.harvard.edu <mailto:janet at cfa.harvard.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Bruno,
>>>>>
>>>>> One source of information is the Sept 22 TCG meeting. The CSP topic was discussed and I wrote down a few notes.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/IvoaTCG-2020-09-22 <https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/IvoaTCG-2020-09-22>
>>>>>
>>>>> CSP discussion - TCG discussion on CSP noted that a stronger CSP presence could help the TCG and user community as a whole. Specific areas of note were: spectral DM implementations do not have a science priority connection to help implementers. There needs to be more involvement with support of tutorials, docs, and a connection to the community we're serving. Also noted that we are working from the bottom up using VO simple things - we need to reach the community to get a better sense of their uses and issues. Also noted that there needs to be a stronger connection with the TCG Interest groups and that the IG needs to participate in the CSP. JE will work to express to the CSP and Exec that we're requesting a review of the CSP mandate/activity. Time to find and read the CSP mandate. May be time to recommend some changes in their charge at this stage of IVOA to make the group more relevant.
>>>>> I use mandate in the notes above where I should have said ‘charter’. And not to put my words on others, I’ll switch to to my personal input below.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe the IVOA is in need of a science group that works actively for the IVOA. Looking forward to the next set of tasks is important, but more importantly is the engagement with the science community, bringing implementers and testers to the WG/IGs (we need them now for new standards), staying in touch to shepherd the communities needs and feedback. And even helping with documentation, use cases, science community education and more (or at least a subset of these activities.)
>>>>>
>>>>> In terms of how the group can work, I’ll put on my manager hat. It is not for just the Ch/V Ch to make happen, but for the group to meet regularly, set priorities and actions, and follow up on those activities to ensure there is forward movement. It’s a committee, not a 1 or 2 person responsibility and it takes a committee to cover the ground of the CSP if we do it in earnest. Does what I say mean there should be a CSP structure to define CSP/IGs so more people feel the responsibility to get things done and report?? I guess that’s a question we can ask. There are also term limits in the CSP charter (3 yrs) - all other groups use them to keep things fresh, I think the CSP should too.
>>>>>
>>>>> The TCG relies on an active CSP. Our work is for Astronomers. After the TCG meeting I felt an obligation to start the conversation given my role on the TCG. I’m happy to clarify anything here that needs further discussion. I’m also willing to help out. You’ve done a good job - this is not about you.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was undecided whether to include the list or reply to just you. Given it’s an internal list I took the chance and went to the group so the others could see the response and also chime in.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>> -janet
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 28, 2020, at 6:36 PM, Bruno Merin <bruno.merin at sciops.esa.int <mailto:bruno.merin at sciops.esa.int>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear CSP and TCG colleagues,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The exec has prompted us to discuss possible revision of the CSP chart and membership to reinvigorate our involvement with the astronomical community and with the TGC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Therefore, I would like to ask for your opinions on how do you think we could obtain a higher level of activity from the scientific side of the IVOA and further interaction with the TCG. In particular, it would be useful to identify people at the IVOA or outside of it who might be interested to contribute to the effort, both as members or as chair or vice-chair of the committee, respectively.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Probably we can have the conversation via email but if you think this would require a face to face conversation, just say so and I will circulate a doodle poll to find a suitable time for most people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many thanks in advance for your honest opinions and proposals,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bruno
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Bruno Merin <bruno.merin at sciops.esa.int <mailto:bruno.merin at sciops.esa.int>>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: possible revision of the CSP chart
>>>>>>> Date: 28 October 2020 at 23:31:02 CET
>>>>>>> To: Chenzhou Cui <ccz at bao.ac.cn <mailto:ccz at bao.ac.cn>>
>>>>>>> Cc: IVOA exec <exec at ivoa.net <mailto:exec at ivoa.net>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Chenzhou,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for your message and apologies that I could not attend the last exec meeting due to a conflict with a presentation in a workshop. I fully agree with the need of reinvigorating the CSP with new members and probably by appointing a new chair and vice-chair as well. We have successfully championed the connection with the astropy group first and then the resuscitation of the Radioastronomy Interest Group but it is true that it obtaining further involvement with the astronomical community and with the TCG has been challenging due to the members’ workload in their respective projects.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As your request, besides the conversation at the exec, I will also initiate an email discussion with the CSP members about the possible updates in membership and leadership and report back at the next exec telecon, hopefully before the interop meeting itself. Depending on the outcome of the discussions at the exec and at the CSP we can then decide on the contents of the CSP presentation at the Interop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bruno
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 28 Oct 2020, at 03:59, Chenzhou Cui <ccz at bao.ac.cn <mailto:ccz at bao.ac.cn>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear IVOA Exec,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At the telecon yesterday, the Exec discussed the need of the CSP to be more active in its relation with the TCG and with the scientific community to understand the need of the community and where IVOA has to focus in the future work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Exec agreed that CSP chart might need some revision as well as a vice – chair could be appointed to help/coordinate with the chair to increase activity and presence in the astronomy community. The Exec agreed that a presentation of the CSP at the next Interop meeting would be important asking for inputs to the community and reach a broader group of scientists.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I take the action to email the Exec to request feedback about possible changes of the CSP chart as only 16 members were present at the telecon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The TCG will hold a telecon on 10/29 to continue with Interop meeting organization. I will also ask Bruno Merin about a presentation at the Interop meeting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please send your feedback and comments to the exec mailing list or to me. Thank you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chenzhou
>>>>>>>>
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