Time Domain DAL/DM/TDIG

[Marco Molinaro]

Dear Ada,
dear TD/DM/DAL-ers,

you're right, the query by object type (target name, position, class,
subclass, ...) is definitely a must, but I got the impression that the
stellar activity is critical for exoplanets (at least).

So, this is a first requirement from my use case: we will need the
activity value associated with the activity index type. That is, we
have to leave room for queries that say

stellar activity within these boundaries measured with this index

I think (my case) I could live, e.g. having a source_activity column
annotated by one UCD among a set that describes the activity index.
I don't think there exist such UCDs, but I haven't checked either.
And maybe there exist other solutions.
Taking the worst case: how can I deal with multiple activity indexes
describing my host star?

As for the planets and their characteristics, constraining the search
on those can be a back end problem, but:
- planet (confirmed or supposed) existence
- (stats on?) mass, period, eccentricity
can be a minimal metadata starting set.

And about discovery methods, that's definitely something they need
to cross match planets (maybe more for catalogues than time series
themselves), and it would require a single element from a controlled
vocabulary. I didn't mean going into the single details of the methods,
for sure.

Finally, checking on François's metadata blocks, I'd say that
- object position
- time sampling characteristics and stats
- object class (activity augmented)
have to be in the minimal list.

Cheers,
    Marco

2017-07-07 13:51 GMT+02:00 AdaNebot <ada.nebot at astro.unistra.fr>:
> Dear Marco,
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
> On 6 Jul 2017, at 14:47, Marco Molinaro <molinaro at oats.inaf.it> wrote:
>
> Dear Ada,
> dear all,
>
> regarding the "discovery" item, related to RV Time Series
> in the exoplanets domain, I had a meeting with people
> from the GAPS project.
> (if interested a quick summary can be found here:
> https://www.asterics2020.eu/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=open:wp4:wp4gapsinaf)
>
> The main point I'd like to alert about here (other parts I think
> are nicely covered by your summary and review) is that a
> discovery for time series when doing research on exoplanets
> requires:
> - host star characterisation, especially stellar activity indexes
>
>
> Regarding the host star characterisation, I think this is in the lines
> "query by object type”.
> This is very important not only for exoplanets but for many other scientific
> cases.
>
> - planet(s) ~existence~ and characteristics
>  [and this may be though because 1 stellar system potentially
>  means multiple planets]
>
> I agree with you
>
>
> And, vice-versa, searching exoplanets having time series attached
> requires as discovery metadata the search method used (this can be
> a small vocabulary).
>
> I'll try to work on the star/activity/planets part related to the GAPS
> project, the vice-versa requires other projects with different than
> spectroscopic RV method to join.
>
>
> There is a list of metadata needed to describe and discover TimeSeries that
> we came up with during the ASTERICS hackathon meeting,
> summarised by F. Bonnarel in Shanghai. I have rewritten that list under:
> http://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/DAL_DM_TDIG_ShanghaiSession2017#Asterics_hackathon_report_F_Bonn
>
> To my opinion some of the things there are too detailed/complicated, e.g.
> Fourier coefficients.
> And I think that we can build a restricted list of minimum requirements
> based on those.
> Please, have a look at the list and let me know among those fields which you
> think are a must.
>
> Cheers,
> Ada
>
> Cheers,
>    Marco
>
> 2017-07-04 13:08 GMT+02:00 AdaNebot <ada.nebot at astro.unistra.fr>:
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> In Shanghai it was decided that TimeSeries is a scientific priority of the
> IVOA. Based on the DAL/DM/TDIG session, here is a list of items to be
> discussed. Please feel free to add any other items you consider relevant to
> TimeSeries and you would like to discuss:
>
> What is TimeSeries data? It is a temporal sequence of measurements
> containing a time coordinate and a flux (or similar - magnitude) / RV /
> position / polarisation / number of spots / spectra / images. Light-curves
> and RV curves dominate the landscape of TimeSeries.
> Concerning DM: there are models that work for representation of some of the
> science cases proposed by the SPC.
>
> Modified SpectrumDM works fine for light curves with some modifications.
> The draft TimeSeriesCube serialisation examples work with SPLAT. But there’s
> still some discussion needed on the model.
> Feedback from people who have tried both models is appreciated in this
> respect.
> Although light-curves and RV curves dominate the landscape of TimeSeries,
> for which a modified version of SpectrumDM (or a similar for RVs) would
> work, we should have an extensible model towards other kind of data, perhaps
> built as a simple derivation/specialization of the SparseCube DM.
>
> Discovery: Obscore/EpnCore + TAP could work if the time axis information
> would be extended. What are the minimum mandatory fields for TimeSeries data
> to be found by the user? For that collecting science cases is important. A
> set of minimum data has already been compiled during an ASTERICS meeting.
> Different communities need to be properly represented. Attending to
> astronomy meetings is important to hear the astro-community. See the series
> of meetings under:
> http://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/IvoaVOEvent#Future_Events. Please
> if you plan to attend any of these meetings or any other related Time Domain
> meeting it would be useful to know it and to post it on the wiki.
> Format: Time has to be properly formatted to combine data coming from
> different surveys. See email from A. Rots (19 May 2017) sent to DM, DAL and
> TDIG + reference A&A 574, 36 (2015).
>
> To keep track these items will be posted on the TDIG wiki, under the
> TimeSeries section:
> http://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/IvoaVOEvent#Time_Series_Data
>
> In particular under: http://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/DAL_DM_TDIG I
> have already written these four items.
>
> You can also find a summary of the different contributions in the
> DAL/DM/TDIG Shanghai session under:
> http://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/DAL_DM_TDIG_ShanghaiSession2017
>
> The intention of this email is to start productive discussions on each
> topic.
>
> Thanks!
> Ada
>
>