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Hi Markus, hi all, <br>
I think we cannot deprecate UCD1+ as a standard , but insert instead
UCDList 1.4, together with the <br>
other versions, on the IVOA document page.<br>
<p>Baptiste had a sketch for this as shown below. EN could be
represented as a different color( Orange?) in the table.</p>
If the document table would show the new list with the previous
ones, that would help <br>
the reader/implementer to jump to the last version easily.<br>
People will be discouraged to use UCDs if it no longer appears as a
standard, and if they find it difficult to find the last version. <br>
<p>The goal of the Maintenance UCD list was to improve the speed for
the update, but also to propagate changes to users for the
standard they might know.</p>
<p>I am not sure the document type REC or EN is important to them ,
but the updated list is, definitely.<br>
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<p>Mireille<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 12/10/2019 à 21:53, Markus
Demleitner a écrit :<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Baptiste,
On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 09:58:20AM +0200, Baptiste Cecconi wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">I just went through the IVOA document repository page
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ivoa.net/documents/">http://www.ivoa.net/documents/</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.ivoa.net/documents/"><http://www.ivoa.net/documents/></a>),
and it appeared to me that the proposed path for UCD1+ update
(through EN) may lead to strange effect:
In the "Technical Specifications" section / "Semantics", the
Technical specification displays version 1.3 of UCD1+
specification, and this should stay this way, even after the EN is
out. The "Endorsed Note" section is below the "Technical
Specifications" one. So the new UCD1+ version to be used is not the
one a (in)experienced user will find first on that page.
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I agree that is certainly a problem. I guess as part of the
endorsement process of the UCD list EN in the TCG we should propose
to retire the UCD1+ REC and move it into the Obsolete IVOA documents
section, which would happen "atomically" with the adoption of the EN.
That way, people will at least first encounter the new EN; I don't
think we can entirely hide the existing REC.
I'd also suggest that on the landing page of the REC, i.e.,
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ivoa.net/documents/UCD1+">http://www.ivoa.net/documents/UCD1+</a>, we post a link to the EN, somewhat
like "This document has been deprecated by (link)UCD maintenance 2.0.
Please refer to (link)the most recent UCD list EN".
I don't think we have much prior art for having a clear and unique
successor to a retiring document, so I suppose we will have to work
out a smart way to deal with it -- I'm cc-ing docstd in case someone
over there wants to chime in.
Mireille -- do you roughly consent to that approach or do you have a
different plan? And Baptiste, if you push forward the PEN, would you
mention this plan to the TCG?
-- Markus
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