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<br>
First off, I think DCP is a better IG for that question than<br>
Semantics.  But that's just in case we decide to write something to<br>
improve the state of matters.<br>
<br>
On Sun, Feb 02, 2025 at 11:01:21AM +0100, Stéphane Erard via semantics wrote:<br>
> VESPA distinguishes 3 roles, following current practices: Creator, Contributor, Publisher<br>
> But there is an obvious ambiguity with Creator that needs to be addressed.<br>
<br>
Actually, things are even more complicated because most data is<br>
associated with a paper, and I expect most authors would like to see<br>
their paper cited (and only then perhaps any data service).  For<br>
*that*, we have the necessary metadata in the Registry (at least in<br>
principle).  The paper's identifier is in Content/source, and if you<br>
give your service (or, rather, data collection) a DOI, people can<br>
reasonably cite it as such.  I will admit that asking people to cite<br>
two things may be a bit immodest -- but who know?<br>
<br>
DaCHS produces citation advice from that that is generally linked to<br>
from the resulting VOTables (via a DALI citation INFO), for example<br>
like this: <<a href="http://dc.g-vo.org/gedr3mock/q/download/howtocite" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://dc.g-vo.org/gedr3mock/q/download/howtocite</a>><br>
<br>
Of course, few people notice any of that.  I think any effort on<br>
improving data citation would at first best be spent on fixing that<br>
(e.g., making clients expose the information in the DALI's citation<br>
INFO<br>
<<a href="https://ivoa.net/documents/DALI/20170517/REC-DALI-1.1.html#tth_sEc4.4.3" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ivoa.net/documents/DALI/20170517/REC-DALI-1.1.html#tth_sEc4.4.3</a>><br>
more prominently).<br>
<br>
Thinking about ways to acknowledge everyone else involved (or how we<br>
can avoid having to ask people for that kind of acknowledgement,<br>
because let's be frank: it's a pain) probably is something that<br>
should be addressed by wider forums as there is nothing very<br>
astronomy-specific in this.<br>
<br>
I'd be surprised if there weren't people working on these questions<br>
at the RDA level.  That doesn't mean we couldn't prototype something<br>
in astronomy, of course.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
            Markus<br>
<br>
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