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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">My understanding is that the
      vocabularies fulfilled our needs, and that our tests of ontologies
      (CDS had done another one with a wider ontology perimeter before
      that one) showed that they are more costly to develop and maintain
      than vocabularies. The object type ontology was nice, allowing to
      display the relationship between the concepts, etc but the point
      was not to have a nice display. <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Best</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 04/12/2021 à 08:21, Robert Rovetto a
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          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">(resending due to sending
            error) Thanks for the replies so far. I'm happy to
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            <div dir="ltr">I'm curious about a couple of things that
              don't seem reflected in the webpage for the ontology
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                <div dir="ltr">Does anyone know:</div>
                <div dir="ltr">- why it did not reach an application
                  stage?</div>
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            <div dir="ltr">- why the study or further work did not
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                <div dir="ltr"><span><span>- Did the ivoa ontology
                      exploration proved to be insufficient, partly so,
                      or otherwise</span></span> (and why)?<br
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                <div dir="ltr">- What caused the current effort (the
                  current IVOA vocabularies), rather than continuing
                  with the ontology or a set of ontologies?</div>
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            <div dir="ltr"><span><span>I think it's valuable that there
                  is a diversity of types of knowledge organization
                  systems, from controlled vocabularies to ontologies to
                  other systems, since each has pros and cons. Some can
                  be used as their counterparts as well.<br clear="none">
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            <span></span><span>So I'm curious about any experiences
              developing that ontology, any challenges, and any overall
              findings. </span></div>
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          <div> On Friday, December 3, 2021, 04:26:38 AM EST, Markus
            Demleitner <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:msdemlei@ari.uni-heidelberg.de">&lt;msdemlei@ari.uni-heidelberg.de&gt;</a> wrote: </div>
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          <div>Robert,<br clear="none">
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            On Fri, Dec 03, 2021 at 07:45:29AM +0000, Robert Rovetto
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            &gt; Can anyone on the list who were original developers of
            that<br clear="none">
            &gt; ontology share the history of it?<br clear="none">
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            I suppose you're referring to<br clear="none">
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              href="https://ivoa.net/documents/Notes/AstrObjectOntology/.
              " target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://ivoa.net/documents/Notes/AstrObjectOntology/.
            </a>First, for<br clear="none">
            orientation: This was a technology study that did not
            actually make<br clear="none">
            it to any productive application (as far as I am aware). 
            Our current<br clear="none">
            effort, <a shape="rect"
              href="http://www.ivoa.net/rdf/object-type/, "
              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.ivoa.net/rdf/object-type/,
            </a>is only loosely<br clear="none">
            connected to that.  If I were to draw a provenance tree of
            the whole<br clear="none">
            thing, this vocabulary would be quite a bit down a different
            branch.<br clear="none">
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            Having said that, almost all of the original authors are now
            retired<br clear="none">
            or are working outside of science and are hence no longer
            reading<br clear="none">
            this list.  If you'd like to collect some history on that
            particular<br clear="none">
            effort, you might hence be better off trying to locate some
            of the<br clear="none">
            authors using other channels and ask them directly.
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                        -- Markus<br clear="none">
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