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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Robert,</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The development of the object type
ontology was supported by a project funded by the European
Commission. The project was called EuroVO-AIDA (Astronomical
Infrastructure for Data Access - 2008-2010) and the development
was made in the framework of the project WP8 Assessment of
emerging technologies by INAF and CDS. The aim was to investigate
the usage of ontologies for our needs, and we choosed to focus on
a well defined subject, astronomical object types. The use cases
had been gathered in the framework of a previous EC funded project
called VO-TECH. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The starting point was the list of
object types from the SIMBAD database, which has continued to
evolve since then, its current version is here:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-display?data=otypes">http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-display?data=otypes</a>. SIMBAD
is the reference database for astronomical objects outside of the
Solar System maintained by the Strasbourg astronomical data centre
CDS: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/">http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/</a></div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hope this helps</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Francoise<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 03/12/2021 à 08:45, Robert Rovetto a
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<div>Can anyone on the list who were original
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks for that context. <span>I
will try. </span>In the meantime, one
specific question is: Would people involved in
the creation & development of the <span><span>IVOA
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On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 05:16:54PM +0000,
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> Although some tech documentation pages
and list archive are on the<br clear="none">
> site, I'm interested in understanding
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Well, there is no IVOA ontology, just several
vocabularies. The ones<br clear="none">
we currently define are on <a rel="nofollow
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href="http://www.ivoa.net/rdf/. "
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.ivoa.net/rdf/.
</a> Some of these,<br clear="none">
indeed, have a rather twisted provenance;
refframe, for instance,<br clear="none">
takes up bits that once lived in two different
XML schemas, which in<br clear="none">
turn drew on quite a bit of prior art. The
history of an astronomy<br clear="none">
thesaurus (the latest incarnation of which,
the UAT, is still in the<br clear="none">
process of adoption by the IVOA) could fill
volumes. And then there<br clear="none">
are the UCDs, which have a rich history of
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Most of what you see today went through many
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