<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Hi James,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for putting the schedule together. From my perspective this looks really good. Looking forward to the meeting and having face time with folks. </div><div>My view too is that with a baseline plan we can always adjust if needed but it keeps the flow and topics out there to evaluate what are the trade-offs of extending or adding a topic.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>-janet<br>
<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On May 10, 2024, at 4:21 AM, Dempsey, James (IM&T, Black Mountain) via p3t <p3t@ivoa.net> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: ArialMT; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">I’ve put together a schedule for the workshop next week (Thu 16 – Fri 17 May). There was also a request for key technologies to read up on, which I have included at the bottom<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Key objectives:</span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></div><ol start="1" type="1" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Agree on a detailed plan for changes to IVOA protocols so that they are compatible with modern web development tools (now and into the future).<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Show how the Cone Search, UWS, and TAP protocols would be revised under this proposal<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Produce content for the talks in the Wednesday P3T interop session<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Commence work on content for an IVOA note describing the changes<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Allocate people to talk to key implementors one on one about the changes<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Draft Schedule</span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Thursday<o:p></o:p></span></li><ul type="circle" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">10:00 - 10:20 - Setup<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">10:20 - 11:20 - Session 1 <o:p></o:p></span></li><ul type="square" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Welcome, ground rules, housekeeping, outline of schedule<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Summary of what has been done so far - decisions made etc<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Review key objectives <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">11:20 – 11:30 – short break<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">11:30 - 12:30 - Session 2<o:p></o:p></span></li><ul type="square" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Demonstrations of the UWS, TAP, Cone search examples<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Discussion on client impacts, provider benefits, <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">What still needs to be done?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">12:30 - 13:30 - Lunch - local restaurants<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">13:30 - 15:00 - Session 3<o:p></o:p></span></li><ul type="square" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">How do we change over - discovery, transition<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">What tools are needed - validators etc - what can we use off the shelf and just guide people<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">15:00 - 15:30 - Coffee break – local cafes?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">15:30 - 17:00 - Session 4<o:p></o:p></span></li><ul type="square" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">What does the VO landscape look like in 1, 5 and 10 years?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Test our transition plan against this<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul></ul><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Friday<o:p></o:p></span></li><ul type="circle" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">10:00 - 10:15 - Gathering<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">10:15 - 11:15 - Session 5<o:p></o:p></span></li><ul type="square" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Talks for the interop session - split into smaller groups to work on each of the four talks<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Determine who will be liaising with the authors of each of the major clients<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">11:15 - 11:30 – short break<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">11:30 - 12:30 - Session 6<o:p></o:p></span></li><ul type="square" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Discuss talks and work on these further<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Outline of documents to record proposal<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">12:30 - 13:30 - Lunch - local restaurants<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">13:30 - 15:00 - Session 7<o:p></o:p></span></li><ul type="square" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Document proposal in preparation for a note - small groups working on markdown in github<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">15:00 - 15:30 - Coffee break– local cafes?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">15:30 - 17:00 - Session 8<o:p></o:p></span></li><ul type="square" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Summary of where we are up to, next steps<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul></ul></ul><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Facilities<o:p></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">We are in room C112 which has a large whiteboard as well as a projector. I’ll make sure we also have butcher’s paper, whiteboard markers and erasers etc<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">See<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://rds.org.au/events/ivoa-2024/venue-logistics/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1715934116000000&usg=AOvVaw1tGLNU3WOEf-6cs-dUCkpL" style="color: rgb(70, 120, 134); text-decoration: underline;">https://rds.org.au/events/ivoa-2024/venue-logistics/</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>for direction to the building.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">The room should be unlocked from 09:45 to 17:30 both days. I am assuming we will not be able to secure it over lunch etc.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><b>Key Technologies<o:p></o:p></b></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">OpenAPI<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Open API generators - swagger codegen, OpenAPI Generator<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">REST<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">JSON<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">YAML<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">HTTP content negotiation<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">We will likely be using markdown for documenting outcomes.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Looking forward to seeing you all next week!<o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 169, 206);">James Dempsey<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">(he/him)</span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Senior Developer<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Information Management & Technology <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 169, 206);">|</span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> CSIRO <o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a href="mailto:james.dempsey@csiro.au" style="color: rgb(70, 120, 134); text-decoration: underline;"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(5, 99, 193);">james.dempsey@csiro.au</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 169, 206);">|</span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> 02 6214 2912<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Building 279 CSIRO Black Mountain Science and Innovation Park, Acton ACT 2600</span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 169, 206);"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">GPO Box 1700, CANBERRA ACT 2601<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(118, 113, 113);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(117, 117, 121);">CSIRO acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the land, sea and waters, of the area that we live and work on across Australia. 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