[Ops] New IVOA Validation Page

[Mark Taylor]

right ho, let's stick with the table then. 

On Tue, 19 Apr 2016, Theresa Dower wrote:

> 
> Hello Ops!
> 
> FWIW I like the table a bit better for ease of editing and making the version numbers stick out better, compared to Mark's list. I have no strong feelings on this though and am just happy we're finally putting this all in one place.
> 
> I tried adding some RofR validator information just to test out editing usability. However, I don't actually know much about the current status of the VOResource validators originally from NCSA except they're in the back-end somewhere and Yulie Zografou is in the process of making adjustments to the main OAI validation suite. Once we settle on a format, if Yulie isn't on the Ops list I can ping her to add more information on the software and specifically the VOResource validators to the final page.
> 
> --Theresa
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ops-bounces at ivoa.net [mailto:ops-bounces at ivoa.net] On Behalf Of Tom
> > McGlynn (NASA/GSFC Code 660.1)
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 9:52 AM
> > To: ops at ivoa.net
> > Subject: Re: [Ops] New IVOA Validation Page
> > 
> > Presumably it would not be very hard to contemplate multiple ways of rendering
> > the underlying information with the data saved as XML and different stylesheets
> > to render it in a tabular or hierarchical or ...
> > fashion.  However I suspect that way lies madness.
> > 
> > I think your style would be fine.  I was deliberately mimicking the table we use
> > for the standards documents which I thought that would make it easy for a
> > person looking for validators to find the correct one.
> >  From the perspective of the IVOA it would also give a clearer sense of the
> > coverage of validators for the IVOA standards.
> > 
> > What if we were to replace your table of contents with a real table which has
> > the same rows as the standards table, includes a column which indicates the
> > status of  validators for that standard, but points to text below for the
> > descriptions and URL? That would give us both the view of how we're doing but
> > not squeeze long descriptions into the
> > table.   So we'd just have WG, Standard name, versions? and validator
> > status in the table so we'd  get a  compact table highlighting where we have
> > good validator coverage and where work is needed.
> > 
> > I considered whether we might want to add another column to the existing
> > standards table, but I'd be concerned that it's too difficult to change that table.
> > Having the validator page on the wiki makes it more flexible.  However we will
> > want a link from the standards page to the validator page.
> > 
> >      Tom
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Mark Taylor wrote:
> > > Tom & ops,
> > >
> > > concerning the format of the IvoaValidatorsSummary page:
> > > it's a bit hard to flatten this kind of structured information into a
> > > table (e.g. some rows of the table represent WGs, some standards and
> > > some validators, so entries in a given column are not always directly
> > > comparable).
> > >
> > > Just to see what it looks like, I've had a go at representing (some
> > > of) the same information in a more hierarchical/document-like twiki
> > > page.  You can see the results here:
> > >
> > >
> > > http://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/Sandbox/MarkTaylorSandboxValidator
> > > s
> > >
> > > I'm not sure if it's an improvement or not.
> > >
> > > Pros:
> > >     - can link to an entry for a particular standard from outside the page
> > >     - easier to navigate (from TOC)
> > >     - more space available for detailed descriptions (where required)
> > >     - more flexible
> > >
> > > Cons:
> > >     - less compact
> > >     - harder to compare entries by eye, e.g., versions supported by
> > >       different validators or validator availability status for
> > >       different standards
> > >
> > > Others may have opinions on which presentation is more useful.
> > > If you/others prefer the tabular format - that's fine by me.
> > >
> > > I have some content to add for some of the standards (at least SAMP,
> > > VOTable; also taplint contributions to UWS, ObsCore, TAPRegExt and
> > > maybe others), I'll do that in due course.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > On Mon, 18 Apr 2016, Tom McGlynn (NASA/GSFC Code 660.1) wrote:
> > >
> > >> During the last TCG telecon I volunteered to help put up a page
> > >> providing an introduction and summary of all validation capabilities
> > >> associated with IVOA standards. I've begun this effort at
> > >> http://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/IvoaValidatorsSummary where
> > >> my plan would be to ultimately mirror the IVOA standards page with an
> > >> entry for every standard -- there's a long way to go.  There will be
> > >> a talk on this at Cape Town, but I'd certainly be interested in
> > >> comments earlier or from those who are not attending.
> > >>   I've sent out this original note generally, but I'd suggest
> > >> responses on the Ops list.  Feel free to comment on the format,
> > >> arrangement and such as well as the content.  What would make this
> > >> most useful to the IVOA and our constituents?
> > >>
> > >> I would be <very> appreciative of people responsible for various
> > >> validation capabilities adding to or revising the current entries.
> > >>
> > >>      Regards,
> > >>      Tom McGlynn
> > >>
> > >>
> > > --
> > > Mark Taylor   Astronomical Programmer   Physics, Bristol University, UK
> > > m.b.taylor at bris.ac.uk +44-117-9288776
> > > http://www.star.bris.ac.uk/~mbt/
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > ops mailing list
> > > ops at ivoa.net
> > > http://mail.ivoa.net/mailman/listinfo/ops
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > ops mailing list
> > ops at ivoa.net
> > http://mail.ivoa.net/mailman/listinfo/ops
> _______________________________________________
> ops mailing list
> ops at ivoa.net
> http://mail.ivoa.net/mailman/listinfo/ops
> 

--
Mark Taylor   Astronomical Programmer   Physics, Bristol University, UK
m.b.taylor at bris.ac.uk +44-117-9288776  http://www.star.bris.ac.uk/~mbt/