<div dir="ltr">All,<div><br></div><div>Notes from the recent DM Running Meeting (20251031)</div><div><br><div><div>Attendees:  Mark C-D, Mathieu S., Pat D., Janet E., Mark K., Mireille L., Tom D., Renaud S.,  Francois B.</div><div><br></div><div>Actions:</div><div><ul><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">MCD: Follow-up with LM about APPS session presentation on new implementation for MANGO</li><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">MCD: Send email to 'interop' advertising the DM Session and request for attendees to come prepared to talk about the details.</li><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">MCD/MS: put together a DM Session page for the programme.</li><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">MCD: work the Spectrum erratum; and finalize the RFE issue in Git.</li></ul><br></div><div>Agenda: (<font color="#9900ff">Notes are in PURPLE</font>)</div><div><ul><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>In-person attendance</li><ul><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">will not be in-person as planned (or at the ADASS component), travel authorizations denied.</li></ul><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>Session Content</li><ul style="list-style-type:disc"><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>Laurent offered to do a MANGO update, but not sure this is useful.. </li><ul style="list-style-type:disc"><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><font color="#9900ff">MCD: agreed, not sure if he has an Apps presentation lined up.</font></li><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><font color="#9900ff">TD: an Apps presentation on the new implementation would be good, and maybe helpful in raising awareness/interest in the workflow.</font></li><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><font color="#9900ff"><span style="font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>ACTION - MCD : Follow-up with LM about APPS session presentation on new implementation.</font></li></ul><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>Paul H. offered VO-DML 1.1 status - document and toolkit </li><ul><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><font color="#9900ff">Good; ties-in with discussion regarding base model updates requested by CAOM/ObsCore projects</font></li><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><font color="#9900ff">15 minutes ??</font></li></ul><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>Pat D. CAOM-2.5 - new revision ready before interop; probable migration to ivoa-std,</li><ul style="list-style-type:disc"><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><font color="#9900ff"><span style="font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>PD: status update, document complete.. polishing; migrated to ivoa-std yesterday</font></li><ul style="list-style-type:disc"><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><font color="#9900ff"><span style="font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>Severin did analysis of holdings to assess usage of different items of the model.. possible deprecation candidates.  This can be a discussion topic, but probably premature, and detailed for the interop session.  Will probably just note that it has been done and point people to it in the presentation.</font></li><ul style="list-style-type:disc"><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><font color="#9900ff">MCD: maybe  good for a special meeting, or Running meeting post interop</font></li><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><font color="#9900ff">PD: yeah</font></li><li style="margin-left:15px"><font color="#9900ff" face="Helvetica Neue">TD: this is a bulky topic, so a separate discussion may be best.  There are some people on his end that would be interested in that.</font></li><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><font color="#9900ff"><span style="font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>MCD: is Running meeting going to have the right scope? <span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span>Maybe we need to focus the invitation to be sure to get the right people in the room.</font></li><ul><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><font color="#9900ff">PD: sounds good, would also want to  record the meeting.</font></li></ul><li style="margin-left:15px"><span style="color:rgb(153,0,255);font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">TD: serves as</span><font color="#9900ff"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>dis-usecases</font></li></ul><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><font color="#9900ff"><span style="font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>includes vodml updates; currently based on v1.0 with secondary model covering requested changes. (if I understood that correctly)</font></li></ul><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><font color="#9900ff"><span style="font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>MCD: How much time would you like?</font></li><ul><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><font color="#9900ff">PD: 15-20 minutes should be fine.. can do 15 if needed.</font></li></ul></ul><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>ObsCore-1.2 + extensions</li><ul style="list-style-type:disc"><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>A working meeting to discuss the data model changes needed to support the Radio+HE+TD notes</li><ul style="list-style-type:disc"><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">ObsCore - assessing recommendations for scope and conformity with domain-of-interest.. alternative solutions? <br></li><ul style="list-style-type:disc"><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">e.g. FB recent post regarding response functions in ObsCore vs being available via datalink</li></ul><li style="margin-left:15px"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size:13px">Extension Models - Single standard for various ObsCore extensions?<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>or individual<span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size:13px">? or other?</span><br></li><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>VO-DML: datatypes model extensions requested by ObsCore-1.2 and CAOM-2.5</li><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>DataProduct: modeling of single file product (Spectrum) vs multi-file product ( EventList + IRF )</li></ul><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><br></li><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><font color="#9900ff">MCD:  general description of what the goals of this portion would be.. outlined above.</font></li><ul style="list-style-type:disc"><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><font color="#9900ff">For this to work, people need to come prepared and informed about the content of the Notes.</font></li><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><font color="#9900ff">MK: suggests sending a message to the interop list with the Notes attached, advertising the session topic.</font></li><font color="#9900ff"></font><ul><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><font color="#9900ff">MCD: is that too wide a distribution?  This is a very DM-specific meeting.</font></li><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><font color="#9900ff">TD: casting wide net is OK</font></li></ul></ul><li style="margin-left:15px"><font color="#9900ff"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size:13px">JE: As an FYI - HEIG will be doing prototypes (2) CXC and CTA, which should follow shortly after the Note (targeting end of the year).</span><br></font></li><li style="margin-left:15px"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size:13px"><font color="#9900ff">MCD: Do we want to hold off the session email until after the next pass on the Note.. which is in progress?</font></span></li><ul><li style="margin-left:15px"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size:13px"><font color="#9900ff">JE: Yes. Should be ready within the week.  Could go out with the advertisement and follow-up with the notes.</font></span></li></ul><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><font color="#9900ff">JE: Need to make sure the people responsible for the models are there.. </font></li><ul style="list-style-type:disc"><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><font color="#9900ff">PD/ML: ported the current ObsCore to ivoa-tex.. haven’t started 1.2 content</font></li><ul><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><font color="#9900ff">ML will be attending the meeting remotely</font></li><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><font color="#9900ff">PD will be there in person..</font></li></ul></ul><li style="margin-left:15px"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size:13px"><font color="#9900ff">MCD: We should have about 1hr in the session for this topic.. IF people come prepared, this could be very productive.  </font></span></li><ul><li style="margin-left:15px"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size:13px"><font color="#9900ff">We will want to be sure not to get bogged down in re-discussing things like real vs double/float </font></span></li><li style="margin-left:15px"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size:13px"><font color="#9900ff">Topics like hashing out the Dataset/DataProduct distinction/modeling ( 1 file vs multiple files in 1 'bundle' ) would be very useful/productive</font></span></li><li style="margin-left:15px"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size:13px"><font color="#9900ff">The comment re-raised by FB (noted above) about Response Functions in ObsCore vs DataLink can be a time-consuming debate.</font></span></li><ul><li style="margin-left:15px"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size:13px"><font color="#9900ff">JE: Ian has really studied this and the proposal agrees with the current ObsCore description of 'Advanced data products', and shouldn't need a lot of discussion again.</font></span></li><li style="margin-left:15px"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size:13px"><font color="#9900ff">MCD: When we get to the concepts in current models which aren't well exercised, the descriptions may not be very detailed and/or reflect the scope and goals of the model.  The 1-file/n-file Datasets in the Dataset model is another example.</font></span></li><ul><li style="margin-left:15px"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size:13px"><font color="#9900ff">This may simply be a matter of improving the description of Advanced data products in ObsCore, but now is the time to look at these cases which push the boundaries, and decide on the proper solution, and not just use ObsCore because it is there.</font></span></li></ul></ul></ul></ul></ul><li style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><br></li><li style="margin:0px;line-height:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">Spectrum Model:  DATE-OBS keyword RFE -<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://github.com/ivoa-std/SpectrumDM/issues/8" target="_blank">https://github.com/ivoa-std/SpectrumDM/issues/8</a></li><ul><li style="margin:0px;line-height:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">MCD: this popped up again after submitting the notes from the last running meeting.</li><li style="margin:0px;line-height:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">The preferred solution was pretty well agreed-upon in College Park, but hasn't progressed from there.</li><ul><li style="margin:0px;line-height:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">Need to make an effort to close this out.</li></ul></ul><li style="margin:0px;line-height:normal;font-size-adj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