<div dir="ltr">Sounds good Laurent.. Thanks.<div>I'm looking forward to reading the revised document when I get back from vacation ( I'm out this last week for February ).</div><div><br></div><div>Mark</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 11:17 AM Laurent Michel <<a href="mailto:laurent.michel@astro.unistra.fr">laurent.michel@astro.unistra.fr</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="line-break:after-white-space"><div>Mark,</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Thank you for the meeting notes.</div><div><br></div><div>I would just comment on the following point:</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 20 Feb 2025, at 15:31, CresitelloDittmar, Mark via dm <<a href="mailto:dm@ivoa.net" target="_blank">dm@ivoa.net</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><font face="monospace"> o [MCD] restatement of concern..</font></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><font face="monospace"> EpochPosition is a 2nd mode of representing content which can be done</font></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><font face="monospace"> with the Measurement types. This is generally considered bad practice.</font></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><font face="monospace"> I would be MUCH happier with the object if it were associated with </font></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><font face="monospace"> GAIA data, more than the "Epoch Propagation" use case. i.e. that it</font></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><font face="monospace"> is an object which supports the very complex GAIA (or GAIA-like) data</font></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><font face="monospace"> which the Measurements model is currently unable to support.</font></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><font face="monospace"> That would give providers/clients a more clear picture of WHEN to use</font></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><font face="monospace"> this Object over the PhysicalProperty representation.</font></div><br></div></blockquote></div><br><div>- There is no doubt that the EpochPosition class complies with the GAIA use-case.</div><div>But describing the position of stars in a 6D space is a physical reality that we need to model with something describing these vectors and the way their coordinates can be correlated.</div><div>For this reason, I do not think we should rename the class “EpochPosition” as “GAIAsomething” (if this is what you propose) .</div><div>PROPOSAL : make the link with GAIA very explicit in the class description as well the reason why it is flatten.</div><div><br></div><div>- I agree with you that having to different ways to model the same quantity is not desirable, but the fact is that one property (EpochPropagation) encloses the other (meas:LonLatPosition), thus, the use-cases overlap. </div><div> Faced with this situation, I reaffirm that importing one model from another is done first by sharing the same description for the same quantities, which is done for EpochPosition vs Meas:*, and that making these imports machine-operable comes as an extra-feature which may cost a lot. Therefore, it is wise to keep EpochPropagation as a MANGO native (complicated) class and meas:LonLatPosition as an imported one.</div><div>PROPOSAL: recommend to use meas:LonLatPosition for simple positions (but the model cannot enforce such a rule).</div><div><br></div><div>Laurent</div></div></blockquote></div>