<div dir="ltr"><div>All,</div><div>Thanks to all who participated in the running meeting last week! There was good coverage and conversation over the agenda items. We have a few actions coming from that.. so please follow-up there and keep the momentum building.</div><div><br></div><div>Below are some notes from the meeting.. I'll put them in-line with the agenda <b>(in bold)</b>, and a summary of actions. My apologies for any errors in interpretation.. feel free to make corrections.</div><div><br></div><div>I've also created <a href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/IvoaDMRunningMeetings">a Twiki Page </a>(following the DAL example), to coordinate the Running Meeting information, agenda, and notes.</div><div>(I'll add a link to these notes on that table when they appear in the email archive.)</div><div><br></div><b>Action Summary:</b><div><ul><li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">MS: schedule and setup regular DM Running Meetings going forward<br></li><li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">MCD: follow-up on DM session contribution request by YX</li><ul><li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">DONE - this contribution will be in the Plenary panel session.</li></ul><li><font face="Helvetica Neue"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">PH: pull some/all, hopefully non-controversial, items from the VO-DML 1.1 milestone as candidates to move forward.. announce these to the DM mailing list for consideration/discussion. Goal to have Working group consensus items identified, defining the scope of 1.1 update for Malta.</span><br></font></li><li><font face="Helvetica Neue"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">MCD: bring the 'Shape' discussion to the DM mail list, with goal to gain consensus on where this model element should live in the DM ecosystem</span><br></span></font></li><li><font face="Helvetica Neue"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">??: bring vo-dml 'version' attribute to DM mail list for discussion.. at least to form a plan IF the attribute is, in fact, needed for upcoming vo-dml standard updates.</span></span></font></li><li><font face="Helvetica Neue"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">LM: Announce to the DM mail list when the MANGO model document is ready for general review.</span></span></span></font></li><li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span></li>
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<br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"></div><div><b>Attendees:</b></div><div> Mark CD, Mathieu Servillat, Pat Dowler, Marco Molinaro, Gerard Lemson, Mireille Louys, Laurent Michel, Paul Harrison, Grégory Mantelet, Janet Evans, Erin Brassfield Bourke<br></div><div><br></div><div><b>Agenda:</b> </div><div><ul>
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<li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal;color:rgb(220,161,13)"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0)"></span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Programme page: <a href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpNov2024">https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpNov2024</a></span></li>
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</ul></ul><div><font face="Helvetica Neue"><b> NOTES:</b></font></div><div><font face="Helvetica Neue"><b> o ACTION: MCD to follow-up with Yunfei on where to best fit his contribution.</b></font></div><ul>
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<li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>what is needed from DM group now?</li>
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</ul></ul><div><div><font face="Helvetica Neue"><b> NOTES:</b></font></div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> PD gave a good overview of the current document status</span></b><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> Moving toward an IVOA model for CAOM.. has community buy-in</span></b><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"><br></span></b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> Changes to CAOM-2.4 are posted on D&S page, includes</span></b><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"><br></span></b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> support for radio</span></b><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"><br></span></b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> reconciles some items with IVOA practices</span></b><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"><br></span></b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> includes use cases from MAST, IRSA, IPAC</span></b><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"><br></span></b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> The document is rough; </span></b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">has a lot of editorial (LaTex) updates to make (current doc. target format is HTML)</span></b><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"><br></span></b></div><div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> needs introduction and abstract...</span></b></div></div><div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> work to do on vocabularies modeling and how to handle new vocabularies</span></b><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"><br></span></b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> Going Forward:</span></b><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"><br></span></b></div><div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> doing the cleanup (PD); and broadcasting to the community for comment</span></b><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"><br></span></b></div><div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> At Malta: Looking to have a brutal discussion on the details.</span></b><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"><br></span></b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> It is intended that the CAOM model (DM) and associated TAP interface (DAL) are kept separate</span></b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> CAOM - ties into the 'Shape as DataType' discussion (see VO-DML)</span></b></div></div></div><div></div><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"></div><ul>
<li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal;color:rgb(220,161,13)"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0)"></span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">VO-DML: <a href="https://github.com/ivoa/vo-dml">https://github.com/ivoa/vo-dml</a></span></li>
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<li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal;color:rgb(220,161,13)"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0)"></span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Schema change: <a href="http://mail.ivoa.net/pipermail/dm/2024-August/006502.html">http://mail.ivoa.net/pipermail/dm/2024-August/006502.html</a></span></li>
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<li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>2018: email discussion about having a ‘version’ attribute; the attribute appears to have been added to volute document at that time</li>
<li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>4/23/2018: attribute added to Git schema (commit 4933)</li>
<li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>Unfortunately, the version that went to REC did not include the document snippet or the schema version which included it.</li>
<li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>The attribute was removed from the Git schema in 2021 during a sweep by Paul H. to match the published schema.</li>
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<li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>ROADMAP item:<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span>Reconcile <a href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/STC"><span style="color:rgb(220,161,13)">STC</span></a> (Region), <a href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/edit/IVOA/FoV?topicparent=IVOA.2024ARoadmap;nowysiwyg=0"><span style="color:rgb(220,161,13)">FoV</span></a> (Shape), <a href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/DALI"><span style="color:rgb(220,161,13)">DALI</span></a> (dtypes), CAOM (dtypes)</li>
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<li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>this came up multiple times during the interop and shouldn't be too difficult to make a plan</li>
<li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><a href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/STC"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal;color:rgb(220,161,13)">STC</span></a></span> (Region) -- separate shape from Frame => <a href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/STC"><span style="color:rgb(220,161,13)">STC</span></a>-S serialization</li>
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<li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>Note: we don't necessarily have to update <a href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/STC"><span style="color:rgb(220,161,13)">STC</span></a>, just recast <a href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/STC"><span style="color:rgb(220,161,13)">STC</span></a>-S to refer to the replacement models.</li>
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<li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>Git Issues: (Tagged with V1.1 Milestone)</li>
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<li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>These have been on the table for some time, and reported by PH at various interops.<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span>They have not gotten any attention within the working group beyond that.<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span>I think we should get the short-list to the working group for review/comment with dates/goals to push a V1.1 update through.</li>
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<li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>#44: Grouping of attribute composition and reference in ObjectType and DataType</li>
<li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>#43: Update Appendix B Mapping to serialization meta-models</li>
<li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>#41: Document rules for ‘contained’ references</li>
<li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>#37: specify that datetime string serialization to conform to ISO8601</li>
<li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>#20: update VO-DML Standard document to 1.1</li>
<li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>#18: make the form of vodml-ids mandatory</li>
<li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>#14: Schema Generation (XML and JSON)</li>
<li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>#5: primitive type for ivorn</li>
<li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>#4: way to indicate ‘natural’ primary key</li>
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</ul><div><div><div><font face="Helvetica Neue"><b> NOTES:</b></font></div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> MCD: suggested the VO-DML presentation at Malta be more directed as a plan for moving V1.1 forward with change-list, status and roadmap.</span></b><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"></div><div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> ACTION: PH - pull some/all, hopefully non-controversial, items from the VO-DML 1.1 milestone as candidates to move forward.. announce these to the DM mailing list for consideration/discussion. Goal to have Working group consensus items identified, defining the scope of 1.1 update for Malta.</span></b><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"><br></span></b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><br></b></div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> MCD: opened discussion on adding the 'shape' datatypes in the "ivoa" model.</span></b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> PD: in DALI/CAOM these are expressed as xtypes.. and items that can be expressed that way are good candidates as base types.</span></b><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"><br></span></b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> PH: adding this for 1.1 seems rather rushed.. the other items on the milestone have been implemented for some time.</span></b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> - reminder that there is a 'playground' in the vo-dml toolkit where things like this could be tried out.</b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> GL: suggested this is really more of a serialization issue. Not sure VO-DML needs to care about that.</span></b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> - serialization (as xtypes) should be outside of the ivoa model.</b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> PD: pointed out that the Shape datatype is already defined and implemented in the DALI standard, </span></b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> so this is a relocation of implemented content and not starting from scratch.</span></b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">General discussion that this concept is one that is currently appearing in multiple models and models in progress.</span></b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> If it is not added to the ivoa model base types, we should consider separating it as a core model just above the base types level which </span></b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> can be reused in various contexts.</span></b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> - eg: this model would describe the shape datatype, the various models (FOV, DALI, ...) would use that type and add context such as </span></b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> an associated coordinate system, creating a spatial Region of a particular Shape.</span></b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> ACTION: MCD - bring the discussion to the DM mail list, with goal to gain consensus on where this model element should be <br></span></b><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> MCD: opened discussion on the 'version' attribute topic</span></b><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"><br></span></b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> version attribute is the 'version of vo-dml' which is different from the version element in vo-dml which is the 'version of the model being described'.</span></b><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"><br></span></b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> PH: initial impression is that this isn't a necessary addition</span></b><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"><br></span></b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> PD: is not sure this is needed, it depends on when model changes produce a change in namespace.</span></b><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"><br></span></b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> GL: what if the schema doesn't change, but the document does? Would we want a new namespace for the new content?</span></b><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"><br></span></b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> I feel like there was an action here, for this to be discussed on the DM mail list, but I don't have any written down.</b><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"><br></span></b></div><div><font face="Helvetica Neue"><b> - I recall expressing concern that we get well into the V1.1 process and discover that the attribute is needed.. causing a delay.</b></font></div></div></div><div><font face="Helvetica Neue"><b><br></b></font></div><ul><li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">Mango: Status update by Laurent</li></ul><div><div><font face="Helvetica Neue"><b> NOTES:</b></font></div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""></b><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> LM: Working draft is published, refinements are on-going.</span></b><font face="Helvetica Neue"><br></font></div><div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> ACTION - LM: Announce to the DM mail list when the document is ready for general review.</span></b></div></div></div><div><font face="Helvetica Neue"><br></font></div><ul><li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>Formally Expressing Model B as a “view” of Model A</li>
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<li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>This would probably benefit from a separate/dedicated meeting prior to the interop.</li>
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<li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal;color:rgb(220,161,13)"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0)"></span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">IVOA Note for FITS serializations: <a href="http://mail.ivoa.net/pipermail/dm/2024-June/006476.html">http://mail.ivoa.net/pipermail/dm/2024-June/006476.html</a></span></li>
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<li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>This project would require review/assessment of the ‘big players’ currently in practice and define a recommended serialization.<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span>This would probably include a dictionary for FITS keywords for metadata at the Dataset/ObsCore level.</li>
<li style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style="font-stretch:normal;font-size:9px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"></span>Kelle Cruz was very keen on this project and, I think, would be willing (eager to contribute)<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span></li>
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<div><font face="Helvetica Neue"><b> NOTES:</b></font></div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""></b><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> o<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> This topic was not covered in this meeting.. ran out of time.</span></b><font face="Helvetica Neue"><br></font></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"><br></span></b></div><div><b style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"><br></span></b></div><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"></div></div>