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<p class="MsoNormal">I realize the same desire for referring to permanent versions/releases is also tru for example for the STC models etc, which currently mereloy link to the trunk of the volute SVN repo if I am not mistaken.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> dm-bounces@ivoa.net <dm-bounces@ivoa.net> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Gerard Lemson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 21, 2021 10:07<br>
<b>To:</b> Laurent Michel <laurent.michel@astro.unistra.fr><br>
<b>Cc:</b> dm@ivoa.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: DM workshop follow-up and status #2<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Laurent<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">><b> From:</b> Laurent Michel <a href="mailto:laurent.michel@astro.unistra.fr">
laurent.michel@astro.unistra.fr</a> <br>
><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 21, 2021 5:19<br>
> <b>To:</b> Gerard Lemson <a href="mailto:glemson1@jhu.edu">glemson1@jhu.edu</a><br>
> <b>Subject:</b> Re: DM workshop follow-up and status #2<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> Gerard, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> The repo is here: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> <a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fivoa-std%2FMANGO&data=04%7C01%7Cglemson1%40jhu.edu%7Cb5fa3e84904741bc9db508d8ec72b2f7%7C9fa4f438b1e6473b803f86f8aedf0dec%7C0%7C0%7C637519324672788684%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=wK7QWD8SYbE5pBpmqfHdnRHjGxyFvehqrLZhi8AH%2FSY%3D&reserved=0">
https://github.com/ivoa-std/MANGO</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> …<span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">> Notice the the model might change a little bit after the recent reviews (MCD, FB, ML) See the issue pages<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, in that repo for that is where I had found the particular commit I asked about:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fraw.githubusercontent.com%2Fivoa-std%2FMANGO%2Fa46441f6fc498a6aeb33ed97e65689fee3d00f6c%2Fvo-dml%2Fmango.vo-dml.xml&data=04%7C01%7Cglemson1%40jhu.edu%7Cb5fa3e84904741bc9db508d8ec72b2f7%7C9fa4f438b1e6473b803f86f8aedf0dec%7C0%7C0%7C637519324672798675%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=B5vvpQ3rbdlzx0kSW%2FzAt692tiDQ3uyXpacMlkQLJso%3D&reserved=0">https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ivoa-std/MANGO/a46441f6fc498a6aeb33ed97e65689fee3d00f6c/vo-dml/mango.vo-dml.xml</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Indeed to keep things constant I want to use a particular (raw) commit for the model rather than relying on
<a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fivoa-std%2FMANGO%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2Fvo-dml%2Fmango.vo-dml.xml&data=04%7C01%7Cglemson1%40jhu.edu%7Cb5fa3e84904741bc9db508d8ec72b2f7%7C9fa4f438b1e6473b803f86f8aedf0dec%7C0%7C0%7C637519324672798675%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=hfG5vYtbEHn4SDsIkuWUSG8vcZtv%2FrAJ5R1Dbu%2FEKyg%3D&reserved=0">
https://github.com/ivoa-std/MANGO/blob/master/vo-dml/mango.vo-dml.xml</a> . So I guess I will use the one I wrote in my email. Note that I would also prefer to use a permanent version because if the model linked to by a particular mapping changes, the mapping
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<p class="MsoNormal">But I also was curious which one you used for example in <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In that mapping you use, but do not declare the mango model.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And in that mapping I see clauses like <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><ATTRIBUTE dmrole="mango:Parameter.reductionStatus" dmtype="ivoa:string" value="Corrected" /><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><INSTANCE dmrole="mango:Parameter.measure" dmtype="mango:stcextend.LonLatSkyPosition"><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">At <a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fivoa%2Fdm-usecases%2Fblob%2Fcd3760e345be139e645393c1159dd32e80001ab8%2Fusecases%2Fcombined_data%2Fmango_proposal%2F4xmm_litewithsp.annot.xml%23L64&data=04%7C01%7Cglemson1%40jhu.edu%7Cb5fa3e84904741bc9db508d8ec72b2f7%7C9fa4f438b1e6473b803f86f8aedf0dec%7C0%7C0%7C637519324672808668%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=bqdOUUjG71J14dFdcNM%2B9PFrhOtX%2Fx7mY0y1KM%2F3RGk%3D&reserved=0">
https://github.com/ivoa/dm-usecases/blob/cd3760e345be139e645393c1159dd32e80001ab8/usecases/combined_data/mango_proposal/4xmm_litewithsp.annot.xml#L64</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But in the model you link to I don’t find these roles.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Indeed I also don’t find the type MangoObject used in <span class="pl-e">
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in <a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fivoa%2Fdm-usecases%2Fblob%2Fcd3760e345be139e645393c1159dd32e80001ab8%2Fusecases%2Fcombined_data%2Fmango_proposal%2F4xmm_litewithsp.annot.xml%23L35&data=04%7C01%7Cglemson1%40jhu.edu%7Cb5fa3e84904741bc9db508d8ec72b2f7%7C9fa4f438b1e6473b803f86f8aedf0dec%7C0%7C0%7C637519324672818662%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=4%2BqYboy5NkTmHYQZR2sdWtItck2mRRRsO61vTkObFQo%3D&reserved=0">
https://github.com/ivoa/dm-usecases/blob/cd3760e345be139e645393c1159dd32e80001ab8/usecases/combined_data/mango_proposal/4xmm_litewithsp.annot.xml#L35</a></span></span><span class="pl-pds"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;background:white"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">If we want to do comparisons between different mapping prescriptions wouldn’t it be good to all at least use the same version of the same model?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Same if we want to look at the applicability of a model to describe certain votable-s?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Gerard<o:p></o:p></p>
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should that correspond to the version you map to in your examples?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Gerard<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:interop-bounces@ivoa.net">interop-bounces@ivoa.net</a> <<a href="mailto:interop-bounces@ivoa.net">interop-bounces@ivoa.net</a>><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
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<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, March 19, 2021 13:11<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:dm@ivoa.net">dm@ivoa.net</a>;
<a href="mailto:interop@ivoa.net">interop@ivoa.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>DM workshop follow-up and status #2<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">3 Weeks after the kick-off meeting, the status of the use-case repository is as follow:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> - All based on Mango <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> - The annotations are based on either VODML-mapping proposal (MCD) or ModelInstanceInVot (LM)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> - Based on either Cube DM (MCD) or on MD’s approach based on a loose use of model components<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> - The annotations are based on either VODML-mapping proposal (MCD) or ModelInstanceInVot (LM)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There are a lot of discussions in the issues and some inputs on the Wiki.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You can participate or follow the discussions on either issues, Wiki or Pull Request threads:<o:p></o:p></p>
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