DM workshop follow-up and status #2

Sun Mar 21 16:01:27 CET 2021

Gerard,
Maybe mis-interpreting this statement, but..
My annotated files are using the VODML/XML installed in the ivoa repository
for the ivoa, coords, meas models.  These are up-to-date.

On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 10:25 AM Gerard Lemson <glemson1 at jhu.edu> wrote:

> PS
>
> I realize the same desire for referring to permanent versions/releases is
> also tru for example for the STC models etc, which currently mereloy link
> to the trunk of the volute SVN repo if I am not mistaken.
>
>
>
> *From:* dm-bounces at ivoa.net <dm-bounces at ivoa.net> *On Behalf Of *Gerard
> Lemson
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 21, 2021 10:07
> *To:* Laurent Michel <laurent.michel at astro.unistra.fr>
> *Cc:* dm at ivoa.net
> *Subject:* RE: DM workshop follow-up and status #2
>
>
>
> Hi Laurent
>
> >* From:* Laurent Michel laurent.michel at astro.unistra.fr
> >*Sent:* Sunday, March 21, 2021 5:19
> > *To:* Gerard Lemson glemson1 at jhu.edu
> > *Subject:* Re: DM workshop follow-up and status #2
>
>
>
> > Gerard,
>
>
>
> > The repo is here:
>
> >    https://github.com/ivoa-std/MANGO
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> > …
>
> > Notice the the model might change a little bit after the recent reviews
> (MCD, FB, ML) See the issue pages
>
>
>
> Yes, in that repo for that is where I had found the particular commit I
> asked about:
>
>
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ivoa-std/MANGO/a46441f6fc498a6aeb33ed97e65689fee3d00f6c/vo-dml/mango.vo-dml.xml
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> Indeed to keep things constant I want to use a particular (raw) commit for
> the model rather than relying on
> https://github.com/ivoa-std/MANGO/blob/master/vo-dml/mango.vo-dml.xml
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> . So I guess I will use the one I wrote in my email. Note that I would also
> prefer to use a permanent version because if the model linked to by a
> particular mapping changes, the mapping may no longer be valid.
>
>
>
> But I also was curious which one you used for example in
>
>
> https://github.com/ivoa/dm-usecases/blob/main/usecases/combined_data/mango_proposal/4xmm_litewithsp.annot.xml
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> In that mapping you use, but do not declare the mango model.
>
>
>
> And in that mapping I see clauses like
>
>
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> <ATTRIBUTE dmrole="mango:Parameter.reductionStatus" dmtype="ivoa:string"
> value="Corrected" />
>
> <INSTANCE dmrole="mango:Parameter.measure"
> dmtype="mango:stcextend.LonLatSkyPosition">
>
>
>
> At
> https://github.com/ivoa/dm-usecases/blob/cd3760e345be139e645393c1159dd32e80001ab8/usecases/combined_data/mango_proposal/4xmm_litewithsp.annot.xml#L64
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> But in the model you link to I don’t find these roles.
>
> Indeed I also don’t find the type MangoObject used in dmtype="
> mango:MangoObject" in
> https://github.com/ivoa/dm-usecases/blob/cd3760e345be139e645393c1159dd32e80001ab8/usecases/combined_data/mango_proposal/4xmm_litewithsp.annot.xml#L35
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> If we want to do comparisons between different mapping prescriptions
> wouldn’t it be good to all at least use the same version of the same model?
>
> Same if we want to look at the applicability of a model to describe
> certain votable-s?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Gerard
>
>
>
>
>
> On 20 Mar 2021, at 23:37, Gerard Lemson <glemson1 at jhu.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> HI Laurent
>
> What is the location of the Mango model’s VO-DML you use in your mappings?
>
> If I use the latest master commit
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ivoa-std/MANGO/a46441f6fc498a6aeb33ed97e65689fee3d00f6c/vo-dml/mango.vo-dml.xml
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>  , should that correspond to the version you map to in your examples?
>
> Thanks
>
> Gerard
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* interop-bounces at ivoa.net <interop-bounces at ivoa.net> *On Behalf
> Of *Laurent Michel
> *Sent:* Friday, March 19, 2021 13:11
> *To:* dm at ivoa.net; interop at ivoa.net
> *Subject:* DM workshop follow-up and status #2
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> 3 Weeks after the kick-off meeting, the status of the use-case repository
> is as follow:
>
>
>
> *Catalog annotations:*
>
>     - All based on Mango
>
>     - The annotations are based on either VODML-mapping proposal (MCD) or
> ModelInstanceInVot (LM)
>
>
>
> *Time Series Annotations*
>
>     - Based on either Cube DM (MCD) or on MD’s approach based on a loose
> use of model components
>
>     - The annotations are based on either VODML-mapping proposal (MCD) or
> ModelInstanceInVot (LM)
>
>
>
> All data samples are documented:
>
> There are a lot of discussions in the issues and some inputs on the Wiki.
>
> The main topic is to decide wether one must use sparse models element or
> more integrated models
>
>
>
> We plan to start the synthesis work in April, so *interested people are
> welcome to contribute in any way*.
>
> You can participate or follow the discussions on either issues, Wiki or
> Pull Request threads:
>
>
>
> Repository:
>
>     https://github.com/ivoa/dm-usecases
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>
> Proposal dashboard:
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>     https://github.com/ivoa/dm-usecases/blob/main/usecases/README.md
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>
> Wiki contributions:
>
>     https://github.com/ivoa/dm-usecases/wiki/
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> Laurent
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>
>
> Useful links:
>     https://github.com/ivoa-std/MANGO
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>     https://github.com/ivoa-std/ModelInstanceInVot
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>     https://volute.g-vo.org/svn/trunk/projects/dm/Cube/
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