History on Simple Time Series

[Rob Seaman]

Yes, certainly!  Perhaps the IVOA should designate an official historian :-)

On Oct 26, 2012, at 6:51 AM, Arnold Rots <arots at head.cfa.harvard.edu> wrote:

> I hope the record shows that I was actually trying hard to make it
> work.
> 
>  - Arnold
> 
> Rob Seaman wrote:
>> By all means seek to resolve any remaining issues.
>> 
>> However, alternate interpretations of the historical record exist, in particular that John was a student with other priorities, and that non-IVOA personnel might reasonably have inferred over the past several years (completely independently of Arnold's comments here) that IVOA was not really interested in working with the Berkeley team.
>> 
>> Yours truly also had the unpleasant chore in the run up to VOEvent 2.0 of having to inform Josh Bloom that there was zero chance (for example, my having been told this by Doug) of SimpleTimeseries making it into the document.  (For a bit more context, note that Josh was the person who proposed that IVOA work on VOEvent.)  The lack of response on what Arnold himself calls minor changes may well correspond to this.
>> 
>> In general the IVOA and TCG should indeed be open to working with external partners.
>> 
>> Rob
>> --
>> 
>> On Oct 26, 2012, at 6:23 AM, Arnold Rots <arots at head.cfa.harvard.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> The Berkeley Simple Time Series model came up again, so I thought it
>>> might be good to provide the context from two and a half years ago.
>>> Particularly because the STS schema contains a comment that may lead
>>> one to believe that it has my blessing.
>>> 
>>> John Brewer had put the STS schema together for Josh Bloom and there
>>> seemed to be a desire to make it consistent (if not compatible) with
>>> IVOA standards.
>>> I proposed a modification and John accepted some of the the
>>> suggestions, coming back with the next version.
>>> At that point I suggested to achieve consistency in nomenclature which
>>> would requrie some minor changes that were not substantive, and I
>>> proposed a compromise schema.
>>> 
>>> The Berkeley group never really responded and the current STS schema
>>> they use is the last version John Brewer sent me. So, my conclusion
>>> was that they were not really interested in consistency or compliance
>>> with IVOA standards.
>>> 
>>> If IVOA is inclined to take another look at the STS schema, I would
>>> suggest that this matter be taken up again.
>>> 
>>> Most of this is discussed in the last half of the attached document
>>> which is also available at:
>>> 
>>>     http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~arots/nvometa/STC/TimeSeriesTableFormats.pdf
>>> 
>>> My last proposed version of the schema is at:
>>> 
>>>     http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~arots/nvometa/STC/sts.xsd
>>> 
>>> - Arnold
>>> 
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Arnold H. Rots                                Chandra X-ray Science Center
>>> Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory                tel:  +1 617 496 7701
>>> 60 Garden Street, MS 67                              fax:  +1 617 495 7356
>>> Cambridge, MA 02138                             arots at head.cfa.harvard.edu
>>> USA                                     http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~arots/
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> <TimeSeriesTableFormats.pdf>
>> 
>> 
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> Arnold H. Rots                                Chandra X-ray Science Center
> Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory                tel:  +1 617 496 7701
> 60 Garden Street, MS 67                              fax:  +1 617 495 7356
> Cambridge, MA 02138                             arots at head.cfa.harvard.edu
> USA                                     http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~arots/
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