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<p>Dear DALers,</p>
<p>Other material that could be discussed in the next running meeting :</p>
<p><b>SIA-extended or DAP :</b></p>
<p>See <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/ivoa-std/SIA">https://github.com/ivoa-std/SIA</a> for most issues below</p>
<p>and <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/ivoa-std/DAP">https://github.com/ivoa-std/DAP</a> for the DAP PR #3</p>
<p>DAP is the extension of SIA to other dataproducts than images and cubes
</p>
<p><span
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href="https://github.com/ivoa-std/SIA/issues/1" target="_blank"
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<p>+ No input PARAMETER exists to select the RELEASE DATE (<a
href="https://github.com/ivoa-std/SIA/issues/2" target="_blank"
style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(69, 113, 208); background-color: transparent; border-color: rgb(69, 113, 208); border-style: none none dotted; border-width: 1px;">github SIA issue #2</a>)</p>
<p>+ No Wild-carding of the input PARAMETERS values exists (<a
href="https://github.com/ivoa-std/SIA/issues/3" target="_blank"
style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(69, 113, 208); background-color: transparent; border-color: rgb(69, 113, 208); border-style: none none dotted; border-width: 1px;">github SIA issue #3</a>)</p>
<p>+ input PARAMETERS values are case sensitive (<a
href="https://github.com/ivoa-std/SIA/issues/4" target="_blank"
style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(69, 113, 208); background-color: transparent; border-color: rgb(69, 113, 208); border-style: none none dotted; border-width: 1px;">github SIA issue #4</a>)</p>
<p>+ 1 shot discovery (and then access) to cutouts was possible in SIA1 but no more in SIA2 (<a
href="https://github.com/ivoa-std/SIA/issues/6" target="_blank"
style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(69, 113, 208); background-color: transparent; border-color: rgb(69, 113, 208); border-style: none none dotted; border-width: 1px;">github SIA issue #6</a>)</p>
<p>+ SIA2 cannot discover rebinned data like SIA1 was able to do (github SIA issue #8)
+ It is not possible to query SIA services by MOC (<a
href="https://github.com/ivoa-std/SIA/issues/9" target="_blank"
style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(69, 113, 208); background-color: transparent; border-color: rgb(69, 113, 208); border-style: none none dotted; border-width: 1px;">github SIA issue #9</a>)</p>
<p>+ <span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 13.65px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">Update matching in-progress<span> </span></span><a
class="twikiLink"
href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/DataLink"
style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(69, 113, 208); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); border-color: rgb(69, 113, 208); border-style: none none dotted; border-width: 1px; font-family: arial, verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 13.65px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal;">DataLink</a><span
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</span></span></p>
<p>+ extension of SIA-style protocol usage outside the image/cube "camp" (<a
href="https://github.com/ivoa-std/SIA/issues/10" target="_blank"
style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(69, 113, 208); background-color: transparent; border-color: rgb(69, 113, 208); border-style: none none dotted; border-width: 1px;">github SIA issue #10</a>) ----> see DAP PR #3</p>
<p>Apart from github SIA and DAP repositories the discussion can alternatively be read there : <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/SIAP-2_0-Next">https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/SIAP-2_0-Next</a></p>
<p>
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<p><b>DataLink : </b>
</p>
<p>version 1.1 has been released
</p>
<p>There are still points which have been discussed and not integrated</p>
<p> see : <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/DataLink-1_1-Next">https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/DataLink-1_1-Next</a> and github repository</p>
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<li style="background-color: transparent;">service descriptor : URL could benefit go be templated (for example to pick up part of the path from the user or from the table and not only parameters). Proposals have been made but it was delayed to next version until some service implement it. (issue<span> </span><a
class="twikiLink"
href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/DataLink"
style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(69, 113, 208); background-color: transparent; border-color: rgb(69, 113, 208); border-style: none none dotted; border-width: 1px;">DataLink</a><span> </span>#27). Probably<span> </span><a
class="twikiLink"
href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/DataLink"
style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(69, 113, 208); background-color: transparent; border-color: rgb(69, 113, 208); border-style: none none dotted; border-width: 1px;">DataLink</a><span> </span>2.0</li>
<li style="background-color: transparent;"><a class="twikiLink"
href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/DataLink"
style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(69, 113, 208); background-color: transparent; border-color: rgb(69, 113, 208); border-style: none none dotted; border-width: 1px;">DataLink</a><span> </span>underlying data model : is content_type, content_qualifier, semantiics triplet enough. Should we distinguish conveyed "information" and conveyed "realtionship" (issue<span> </span><a
class="twikiLink"
href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/DataLink"
style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(69, 113, 208); background-color: transparent; border-color: rgb(69, 113, 208); border-style: none none dotted; border-width: 1px;">DataLink</a><span> </span>#44). This is a discussion for<span> </span><a
class="twikiLink"
href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/DataLink"
style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(69, 113, 208); background-color: transparent; border-color: rgb(69, 113, 208); border-style: none none dotted; border-width: 1px;">DataLink</a><span> </span>2.0.</li>
<li style="background-color: transparent;">Service descriptor inputParams enhancing distinction between required and optional parameters (issue<span> </span><a
class="twikiLink"
href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/DataLink"
style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(69, 113, 208); background-color: transparent; border-color: rgb(69, 113, 208); border-style: none none dotted; border-width: 1px;">DataLink</a><span> </span>#51). No obvious solution has been found at the moment.</li>
<li style="background-color: transparent;">Service Descriptor to be removed from<span> </span><a
class="twikiLink"
href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/DataLink"
style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(69, 113, 208); background-color: transparent; border-color: rgb(69, 113, 208); border-style: none none dotted; border-width: 1px;">DataLink</a><span> </span>and pushed to VOTable (issue<span> </span><a
class="twikiLink"
href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/DataLink"
style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(69, 113, 208); background-color: transparent; border-color: rgb(69, 113, 208); border-style: none none dotted; border-width: 1px;">DataLink</a><span> </span>#53). This is a major revision of<span> </span><a
class="twikiLink"
href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/DataLink"
style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(69, 113, 208); background-color: transparent; border-color: rgb(69, 113, 208); border-style: none none dotted; border-width: 1px;">DataLink</a><span> </span>but also of VOTable. Version 2.0. This may also be completed by introduction of the templating mechanism or even more by the use of PDL inside inputParams.</li>
<li style="background-color: transparent;">content parameter in datalink mime type. (issue<span> </span><a
class="twikiLink"
href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/DataLink"
style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(69, 113, 208); background-color: transparent; border-color: rgb(69, 113, 208); border-style: none none dotted; border-width: 1px;">DataLink</a><span> </span>#82). This is apparently to be solved in VOTable before<span> </span><span
class="twikiNewLink"><a
href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/edit/IVOA/DataLink1?topicparent=IVOA.DataLink-1_1-Next;nowysiwyg=0"
rel="nofollow"
title="DataLink1 (this topic does not yet exist; you can create it)"
style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(183, 53, 30); background-color: transparent; border-color: rgb(183, 53, 30); border-style: none none dotted; border-width: 1px;">DataLink1</a></span>.1 becomes a REC</li>
<li style="background-color: transparent;">UCD for ID column in {links} service output . Is not the same as the UCD of ID parameter in any<span> </span><a
class="twikiLink"
href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/SODA"
style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(69, 113, 208); background-color: transparent; border-color: rgb(69, 113, 208); border-style: none none dotted; border-width: 1px;">SODA</a><span> </span>service referring to the ID column in the {links} table. Is that an issue ? apparently not (issue<span> </span><a
class="twikiLink"
href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/DataLink"
style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(69, 113, 208); background-color: transparent; border-color: rgb(69, 113, 208); border-style: none none dotted; border-width: 1px;">DataLink</a><span> </span>#89)</li>
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<p>And a new one (which may be solved by an erratum ?)</p>
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<li style="background-color: transparent;">inputParams could refer to PARAM as alternative to FIELD (<a
href="https://github.com/ivoa-std/DataLink/issues/115"
target="_blank"
style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(69, 113, 208); background-color: transparent; border-color: rgb(69, 113, 208); border-style: none none dotted; border-width: 1px;"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/ivoa-std/DataLink/issues/115</a>)</li>
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<p><b>DataLink implementation note :</b></p>
<p><b>
</b></p>
<p><b>
</b></p>
<p>While finishing the DataLink recommendation process we decided to have
some non-normalized proposals for recognition in an Implementation Note
This is now here : <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://github.com/ivoa/DataLinkRecImplNote">https://github.com/ivoa/DataLinkRecImplNote</a>
</p>
<p>And the draft can be read here : <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/ivoa/DataLinkRecImplNote/releases/download/auto-pdf-preview/DataLinkImp-draft.pdf">https://github.com/ivoa/DataLinkRecImplNote/releases/download/auto-pdf-preview/DataLinkImp-draft.pdf</a>
Cheers</p>
<p>François
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 28/03/2024 à 23:40, BONNAREL
FRANCOIS via dal a écrit :<br>
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<p>Dear DALers</p>
<p>Here is a teaser on what could be discussed during this meeting.</p>
<p>SODA : there is a PR on github which I already modified after feedback from Pat</p>
<p>includes proposal for :</p>
<p>+ pixel cutouts (instead of world coordinates) on all axes are missing (<a
class="twikiLink"
href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/SODA"
moz-do-not-send="true">SODA</a> github issue #3)</p>
<p>+ No possibility to control output WCS by regridding/rebinning exists in <a
class="twikiLink"
href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/SODA"
moz-do-not-send="true">SODA</a>. (<a class="twikiLink"
href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/SODA"
moz-do-not-send="true">SODA</a> github issue #4)</p>
<p>+ It is not possible to query <a class="twikiLink"
href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/SODA"
moz-do-not-send="true">SODA</a> services by MOC (<a
class="twikiLink"
href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/SODA"
moz-do-not-send="true">SODA</a> github issue #5)</p>
<p>+ SODA spec doesn't tell us how to provide dataproduct_type transformation (<a
class="twikiLink"
href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/SODA"
moz-do-not-send="true">SODA</a> github issue #7)</p>
<p>+ Format transformation : FITS to png/jpeg, FITS to <a
class="twikiLink"
href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/HiPS"
moz-do-not-send="true">HiPS</a>, <a class="twikiLink"
href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/HiPS"
moz-do-not-send="true">HiPS</a> to FITS etc (<a class="twikiLink"
href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/SODA"
moz-do-not-send="true">SODA</a> github issue #14)</p>
<p>+ Extracting metadata from the dataset (<a class="twikiLink"
href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/SODA"
moz-do-not-send="true">SODA</a> github issue #15)</p>
<p>See github or also : <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/SODA-1_0-Next"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/SODA-1_0-Next</a></p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>François
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 27/03/2024 à 14:47, Grégory
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Dear DAL members,<br>
<br>
Here is an announcement for a new DAL Running Meeting.<br>
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This time, the topic is SODA-next, followed by some other
thoughts about DAP(SIA), DataLink implementation and ProvTAP.<br>
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<blockquote><font size="5" face="monospace"><b>Date :</b> 18<sup>th</sup>
April 2024<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Grégory Mantelet & James Dempsey<br>
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