SED data model v0.92
Gilles DUVERT
Gilles.Duvert at obs.ujf-grenoble.fr
Fri Nov 19 09:54:34 PST 2004
Congratulations for the IVOA SED Data Model , this is an impressive
piece of work.
If I may risk three comments, two on the draft itself, the other on
comments of comments...
Sorry for the rather direct style, and for my probable misunderstanding
of some parts of the document...
1) Ed Shaya wrote:
> Hopefully, it is rare that one only has upper limit info. The
> observers certainly should provide the measured value even if it is
> below the noise. There is non-zero information in that value.
Well, although having only upper limits may seem pitiful, a number of
sound scientific results have been drawn in the past from
undetectablilty results. Upper limits are really a result for SEDs, and
used as such by astronomers. Since they are used, they are published and
they will go in the VO...
I just wanted to comment that a value *measured* cannot be *below* the
noise. Only the noise level is meaningfull in this case (the text notes,
and this is customary indeed, that authors usually "choose to render
measurements as upper limits if the flux value is less than some
multiple (e.g. 3) of the lower error" (note: shouldn't be *Upper*
error? ) ). The risk would be, if any *measured* value is set, that is
is taken at face value, when only the noise level has sense. Could you
use some kind of blanking value for the measured value in this? (or is
there a general concept of upper limit that would go in the
Quantity::Accuracy data model?)
2) in http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~jcm/vo/docs/spec.html, Errors are
OPTIONAL?? Errors are part of any measurement, and should be enforced by
the data model. Or is there provision for a sort of common error for all
measurements? Because a measurement without errorbars should simply not
exist (but the reverse may exist, see above)!
3) http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~jcm/vo/docs/spec.html use non standard
old 'ergs' (cgs) units... All documents produced in the 21st Century
should promote MKSA units, and conversion to the dear cgs units of our
grandfathers should be implicit and computer-assisted... ;^)
Best,
Gilles
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