<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi all,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks for the contributions. I do agree that the Paris meeting was a very successful gathering worth following up by both groups. I also like the idea of having a first discussion next week at the IVOA interop meeting plenary session and then to organise a splinter discussion with anyone interested to discuss the details that have been raised.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I will put together a few summary slides of what we have discussed for the intro presentation and I will share them you you all beforehand to make sure I am not misunderstanding anything. If you could Tom setup that Wiki page to organise a bit the different more detailed points to be discussed afterwards and let people fill in their views in advance of the discussion that would be great. I can help organising the splinter meeting afterwards.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So, more soon on this topic.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks again everyone for your time,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Bruno</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 20 May 2021, at 02:08, Tom Donaldson <<a href="mailto:tdonaldson@stsci.edu" class="">tdonaldson@stsci.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Hi Bruno, all,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">I also like Erik’s suggested agenda. Given the time available, I think it would be most productive to minimize presentations, and dive quickly into specific discussions.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">I do like the idea of a brief introduction (<= 10 min?) so that participants old and new have context for the ensuing discussions. Each discussion will need a little setup as well of course, but maybe we can do that informally by seeding the notes page to frame the conversation. Anyone could add info, links, ideas, etc. ahead of time.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Cheers,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Tom<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Adam Ginsburg <<a href="mailto:adam.g.ginsburg@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">adam.g.ginsburg@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 4:25 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Erik Tollerud <<a href="mailto:etollerud@stsci.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">etollerud@stsci.edu</a>>, Clara Brasseur <<a href="mailto:cbrasseur@stsci.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cbrasseur@stsci.edu</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Brigitta Sipocz <<a href="mailto:bsipocz@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">bsipocz@gmail.com</a>>, Bruno Merin <<a href="mailto:bruno.merin@sciops.esa.int" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">bruno.merin@sciops.esa.int</a>>, Tom Donaldson <<a href="mailto:tdonaldson@stsci.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">tdonaldson@stsci.edu</a>>, Thomas Robitaille <<a href="mailto:thomas.p.robitaille@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">thomas.p.robitaille@gmail.com</a>>, TCG IVOA <<a href="mailto:tcg@ivoa.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">tcg@ivoa.net</a>>, Baptiste Cecconi <<a href="mailto:baptiste.cecconi@obspm.fr" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">baptiste.cecconi@obspm.fr</a>>, AdaNebot <<a href="mailto:ada.nebot@astro.unistra.fr" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ada.nebot@astro.unistra.fr</a>>, "Damian, Adrian" <<a href="mailto:Adrian.Damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Adrian.Damian@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca</a>>, Christine Banek <<a href="mailto:CBanek@lsst.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">CBanek@lsst.org</a>>, Javier Duran <<a href="mailto:jduran@sciops.esa.int" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">jduran@sciops.esa.int</a>>, AstroPy Coordinators <<a href="mailto:coordinators@astropy.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">coordinators@astropy.org</a>>, csp <<a href="mailto:csp@ivoa.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">csp@ivoa.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: Astropy - IVOA - pyVO follow-up online discussion in May<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div style="border: 1pt solid rgb(156, 101, 0); padding: 2pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: center; line-height: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 235, 156);" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class="">External Email - Use Caution</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi all,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I'm replying all to add Clara Brasseur, who is also an astroquery maintainer, onto the thread.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Erik's agenda seems reasonable to me. As Brigitta said, we're looking for ways to remove redundant, parallel implementations from astroquery and make sure the VO tools all live in pyvo. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 3:48 PM Erik Tollerud <<a href="mailto:etollerud@stsci.edu" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">etollerud@stsci.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class=""><div class=""><div id="gmail-m_6453086966730815120gmail-m_-7715193022061706391divtagdefaultwrapper" class=""><p style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">To echo Brigitta, I agree the Paris workshop went great, and I think trying to replicate that to whatever extent is possible in the virtual format is a great idea!<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Maybe we should go into it with a list of questions we want to try to answer? Ideally that provides a bit more concreteness to a space where in a virtual format it's rather easy to drift off into doing separate things on our computers, defeating the point of a meeting. The obvious ones I see so far are: <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 1in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -0.25in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Symbol;" class=""><span class="">·<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Where TAP/TAP+ belongs between astroquery and pyvo (might need more refining to be a productive discussion!)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 1in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -0.25in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Symbol;" class=""><span class="">·<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> VOTable metadata<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 1in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -0.25in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Symbol;" class=""><span class="">·<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">(maybe) Coordinated status or not<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Perhaps some of those "other smaller things" Brigitta mentioned can be done more in hack-day format? I realize that's not on your schedule Bruno, but to replicate what we saw as success of the Paris event, perhaps we should do that? Perhaps then the discussion segment of the 60 min on the schedule can be discussion of the above items + planning for "hack day" activities to be done async?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><p style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">On the question of coordinated, I think the question is kind of the other way around: there is *no* extra bureaucracy that I can think of to having it be coordinated given the repo is already in the astropy org. It's really more whether it solves any problems the current package has. From the Astropy Project perspective, having something be coordinated means the Project is a "backstop" against the current maintainer team disappearing - TBH I'm not sure we could commit to that now anyway since most of the Astropy expertise on the VO lives in pyvo already. In return the *users* of that package get some trust that something bigger than an individual is supporting it. In PyVO's case, the IVOA might be just as big/trustworthy of an organization as Astropy would be. There are other smaller things like you get your names on the Astropy team page and get invites to some of the core team events, although in most cases those are in principle open anyway if you're interested enough.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">So it might make sense to consider the coordinated pathway if we think having it be listed on a web site as coordinated will help, say, some of the people on this email chain convince their development team to have a more open process, or have some funding source be more likely to fund developers doing work in an open way. Or if we think the user community is more likely to trust it if it's "coordinated" (which I doubt because I think most non-insiders don't know the distinction). But if not, I agree it's not clear anyone is served by making it coordinated. But if the pyvo maintainers want it, that opinion can change!<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 0.5in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><div id="gmail-m_6453086966730815120gmail-m_-7715193022061706391Signature" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">---<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">Erik Tollerud<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">Assistant Astronomer<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">Space Telescope Science Institute<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: center;"><hr size="0" width="100%" align="center" class=""></div><div id="gmail-m_6453086966730815120gmail-m_-7715193022061706391divRplyFwdMsg" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="" class="">From:</span></b><span style="" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Brigitta Sipocz <<a href="mailto:bsipocz@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">bsipocz@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, May 19, 2021 2:28:48 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Bruno Merin<br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tom Donaldson; Erik Tollerud; Thomas Robitaille; Adam Ginsburg; TCG IVOA; Baptiste Cecconi; AdaNebot; Damian, Adrian; Christine Banek; Javier Duran; AstroPy Coordinators; csp<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Astropy - IVOA - pyVO follow-up online discussion in May</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="border: 1pt solid rgb(156, 101, 0); padding: 2pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: center; line-height: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 235, 156);" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class="">External Email - Use Caution</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Dear All,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">This is an excellent idea to follow-up on our previous meeting, and I'm planning to join, too. I personally feel the Paris workshop was a success, we saw really good momentum and more collaboration than we had before, but of course there are still a number of items that we can work on going forward.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">As to address one of the points below, pyvo currently is an astropy affiliated package. And I feel the maintainer group is very well set up balancing between multiple stakeholders, at least from the sidelines it seems to me that it is working rather well. At the moment I don't see advantages just more bureaucracy of bringing in as a "coordinated" package, there isn't any extra offered for the coordinated ones compared to what pyvo has. We can discuss the nuances, bottom line is that currently bureaucracy what keeps the gates closed.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I agree with Tom that one of the bigger outstanding questions is TAP. What features should get to be included in the pyvo version (or in the standard) to be able to deprecate the parallel implementation from astroquery. I'm also aware of smaller things that could go into pyvo from either astroquery or astropy, but I think those are more straightforward cases that don't need much coordination from this larger group.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Cheers,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> Brigitta<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 at 10:40, Bruno Merin <<a href="mailto:bruno.merin@sciops.esa.int" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">bruno.merin@sciops.esa.int</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Dear all,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I hope my email finds you all and your families well and with good health.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">It is now roughly two years since some of us got together at a nice hackathon in Paris between astropy, astroquery and IVOA software engineers to identify possible synergies and to try to put a collaboration on motion.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">In preparation for the upcoming IVOA online interop meeting from the 25th to the 28th of May, we would like to ask whether you could be available for a follow-up discussion of approx. 1.5 hours, on what worked well, what is ongoing, and what could still do to better for the benefit of the astronomical community as a whole. Among other things, we would like to understand what is pending for pyvo to become an astropy affiliated package and to get your advice on what could be the best use of people’s times in this collaboration or by contributing to astropy.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Please share your thoughts about this conversation and this collaboration via email and let me know whether you could participate in a session, whose exact date and time is still TBD.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Many thanks in advance for your time and I look forward seeing you soon,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Bruno<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="" class=""><br class=""></span><b class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">ESA - European Space Agency</span></b><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><p style="margin-left: 0.5in; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 161, 224);" class="">Dr. Bruno Merín</span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: gray;" class=""><br class="">Head of the ESAC Science Data Centre (SCI-SAA)</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 0.5in; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: gray;" class="">European Space Astronomy Centre (ESAC)</span></b><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: gray;" class=""><br class="">Camino Bajo del Castillo s/n<br class="">Villanueva de la Cañada, 28692 Madrid, Spain</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 0.5in; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="" class=""><a href="mailto:bruno.merin@esa.int" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: gray;" class="">Bruno.Merin@esa.int </span></a></span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">| </span><span style="" class=""><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/cosmos.esa.int/esdc__;!!CrWY41Z8OgsX0i-WU-0LuAcUu2o!jUyxIG7M2mwZ4C4j1U5-eDCgxNfrOFOLuiBbINDnWPEIVfgPlU0r_8zymN-8Lp8ClQ$" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color: gray;" class="">cosmos.esa.int/esdc</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">Phone: +34 91 813 1456 | Fax: +34 91 813 1218</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On 20 Mar 2019, at 18:32, Bruno Merin <<a href="mailto:bmerin@sciops.esa.int" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">bmerin@sciops.esa.int</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Dear Tom, Erik, Thomas, Brigitta and Adam,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">We are planning to organize a hackathon on May 15th 2019 in the afternoon at our Paris IVOA <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/indico.obspm.fr/event/64/overview__;!!CrWY41Z8OgsX0i-WU-0LuAcUu2o!jUyxIG7M2mwZ4C4j1U5-eDCgxNfrOFOLuiBbINDnWPEIVfgPlU0r_8zymN_R4-8UXA$" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">interop meeting</a> where we would like to invite people to do hacks that explore the links between astropy/astroquery and the VO infrastructure, in particular focussing possibly on time-domain use-cases. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Ada Nebot, who is coordinating the IVOA time domain interest group (TDIG), she proposed the following two areas of possible interest / overlap although there might be others:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">1 - VOTable <—> astropy: Conversions between VOTables with the TIMESYS element and the astropy.time class.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">VOTable: <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.ivoa.net/documents/VOTable/20190318/__;!!CrWY41Z8OgsX0i-WU-0LuAcUu2o!jUyxIG7M2mwZ4C4j1U5-eDCgxNfrOFOLuiBbINDnWPEIVfgPlU0r_8zymN_eeZoJUg$" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.ivoa.net/documents/VOTable/20190318/</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">astropy.time <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/docs.astropy.org/en/stable/time/index.html__;!!CrWY41Z8OgsX0i-WU-0LuAcUu2o!jUyxIG7M2mwZ4C4j1U5-eDCgxNfrOFOLuiBbINDnWPEIVfgPlU0r_8zymN_4ujnxvA$" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://docs.astropy.org/en/stable/time/index.html</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">2 - T-MOC & astropy : The T-MOC format is a time-dependent Multi-Order Coverage structure, e.g. a healpix structure that indexes spatially the existing data in the sky (that is the MOC), but chopped off in time intervals to allow easy visualization and access to data in both space and time (that is the T-MOC).<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2018TDIG/TDIG-TBoch-TMOC-MOCPy.pdf__;!!CrWY41Z8OgsX0i-WU-0LuAcUu2o!jUyxIG7M2mwZ4C4j1U5-eDCgxNfrOFOLuiBbINDnWPEIVfgPlU0r_8zymN_YuF9fmw$" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2018TDIG/TDIG-TBoch-TMOC-MOCPy.pdf</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/cds-astro/mocpy/blob/master/notebooks/tmoc.ipynb__;!!CrWY41Z8OgsX0i-WU-0LuAcUu2o!jUyxIG7M2mwZ4C4j1U5-eDCgxNfrOFOLuiBbINDnWPEIVfgPlU0r_8zymN_RitrISg$" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://github.com/cds-astro/mocpy/blob/master/notebooks/tmoc.ipynb</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The reason of my message is to inform you about this hackathon, ask for your feedback on whether this would be of interest or not for some of the astropy developers and to ask for advice on how do you think this event could be more useful to both the astropy users and IVOA users. It would also be great if you would know some astropy contributor who might be based in Paris and might want to come in person to the session.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Finally, should you be interested, you are all of course invited to join any of the two telecons described below where we will discuss what to prepare and how to organize the hackathon.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks in advance for your time,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Bruno<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";" class="">This message is intended only for the recipient(s) named above. 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