[csp] 1st IVOA "Radioastronomy" telecon: TODAY 14 Nov, 17:00 CET = 11 AM EST = 9 AM MST = 00 CST
Patrick Dowler
pdowler.cadc at gmail.com
Thu Nov 14 20:50:17 CET 2019
Just got confirmation from Cameron that RM and FARADAY (depth) are both
rad/m**2 so we will be supporting the following (to start, in CAOM):
CTYPE = RM
CUNIT = rad/m**2 (or rad/m^2 using VOUnit FITS grammar)
CTYPE=FARADAY
CUNIT = rad/m**2 (or rad/m^2)
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Patrick Dowler
Canadian Astronomy Data Centre
Victoria, BC, Canada
> On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 at 03:12, Bruno Merin <bmerin at sciops.esa.int> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Below you can find the skype connection link for today’s telecon. Please
>> please, do any possible effort to close the actions below before the
>> telecon if possible.
>>
>> Many thanks in advance for your time,
>>
>> Bruno
>>
>> IVOA Radioastronomy telecon #1 Thursday, November 14, 2019
>>
>> 13:30-14:30 (UTC+01:00) Brussels, Copenhagen, Madrid, Paris
>> Copy the meeting details to the invitation you send to participants.
>> Join Skype Meeting
>> https://meet.lync.com/esa.int/bruno.merin/LVUBX0YN
>>
>> Join by phone
>> +34910479147
>> Find a local number
>> <https://dialin.lync.com/24f2f848-5af2-4842-8cf5-07a5ac61afc3>
>> Conference ID: 39767493
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>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 14, 2019, at 10:22 AM, Bruno Merin <bmerin at sciops.esa.int> wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> This is a reminder that we have our first Radioastronomy telecon in the
>> VO this afternoon at 17:00 CET = 11 AM EST = 9 AM MST = 00 CST
>>
>> I would like to ask please those below with actions to provide use-cases
>> to try to finish them today such that we can look at them at the telecon.
>> So far I have only got one response (out of the needed) on the VLA.
>>
>> *Actions:*
>>
>>
>> 1. Action on François Bonarel: provide 3 data search use cases for
>> radioastronomy data in CDS
>> 2. Action on Mark Kettenis and Harold Verkouter : provide 3 data
>> search use cases for radioastronomy data in JIVE
>> 3. Action on James Dempsey: provide 3 data search use cases for
>> radioastronomy data in CSIRO
>> 4. Action on Marco Iacobelli: provide 3 data search use cases for
>> radioastronomy data in ASTRON
>> 5. Action on Mark Lacy : provide 3 data search use cases for
>> radioastronomy data in NRAO
>> 6. Action on Jun Han : provide 3 data search use cases for
>> radioastronomy data in FAST
>> 7. Action on Andreas Wicenec: provide 3 data search use cases for
>> radioastronomy data in ICRAR and SKA
>>
>>
>>
>> I will send the updated connection details later today.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Bruno
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2019, at 7:30 AM, Bruno Merin <bmerin at sciops.esa.int> wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Thanks for answering the doodle poll and thanks Mark for giving me the
>> VLA use cases (pasted below for completeness). Please send me the remaining
>> use cases and/or any other inputs that would be useful for the discussion.
>> Looking at the dates in the doodle poll, the best time to talk again about
>> this topic is:
>>
>> *What:* IVOA Radioastronomy telecon #1
>> *When:* 14 November 2019, 17:00 CET = 11 AM EST = 9 AM MST = 00 CST
>> *Where:* Skype telecon (see below)
>> *Agenda:*
>> 1.- Welcome
>> 2.- Review notes from first splinter meeting
>> 3.- Review use cases and identify minimum commonalities
>> 4.- Agree on proposal for extensions to ObsCore to enable use-cases
>> 5.- Any other busisness
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Bruno
>>
>> *VLA use cases from Mark Lacy :*
>>
>> 1) As an astronomer who is interested in searching for extended CO
>> emission at high redshifts, I wish to find all the VLA data between 30 and
>> 50 GHz including in the results only observations having sensitivities on
>> scales of 20” and larger, with frequency (velocity) resolution better than
>> 50km/s, and with a total bandwidth >2GHz.
>>
>> 2) As an astronomer who is interested in the repeatability of
>> polarization calibration, I wish to find all the VLA and ALMA data with
>> calibrated Stokes IQU polarization in the range 30-100GHz for the source 3C
>> 286 (including both observations where it was used as a calibrator and
>> those when it was the main target).
>>
>> 3) As an astronomer who is interested in the magnetoionic environment
>> around the galactic center, I want to find all the archived Faraday
>> rotation measure cubes and spectra within 2 degrees of the galactic center
>> that are sensitive to rotation measures >100 rad/m^2, irrespective of
>> telescope.
>>
>> IVOA Radioastronomy telecon #1 Thursday, October 24, 2019
>>
>> 07:30-08:30 (UTC+01:00) Brussels, Copenhagen, Madrid, Paris
>> Copy the meeting details to the invitation you send to participants.
>> Join Skype Meeting
>> https://meet.lync.com/esa.int/bruno.merin/YZVFPLER
>>
>> Join by phone
>> +34910479147
>> Find a local number
>> <https://dialin.lync.com/24f2f848-5af2-4842-8cf5-07a5ac61afc3>
>> Conference ID: 517312614
>> Forgot your dial-in PIN? <https://mysettings.lync.com/pstnconferencing>
>> First Skype Meeting?
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>>
>> On Oct 21, 2019, at 12:53 PM, Bruno Merin <bmerin at sciops.esa.int> wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Thanks again for those who have already provided their availabilities in
>> the doodle poll below. For the others who are interested in joining this
>> work, please enter your availabilities asap such that I can schedule the
>> call with sufficient time.
>>
>> I would also like to remind those actioned below to provide use cases to
>> send them to me at your earliest convenience such that we can prioritize
>> activities.
>>
>> Please, realize that we need your active collaboration to be able to make
>> a positive impact on this important activity. With the current response
>> rate, we might not be able to do much.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Bruno
>>
>>
>> On Oct 13, 2019, at 2:06 PM, Bruno Merin <bmerin at sciops.esa.int> wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Please find below my rough notes of the splinter meeting on
>> “Radioastronomy in the VO” that we held last Friday 11th of October of 2019
>> from 17:00 to 18:00. Please send me any corrections that might be needed by
>> the end of Friday 18th of October of 2019.
>>
>> Several IVOA members proposed the idea of creating a “Radioastronomy”
>> Interest Group inside the IVOA to carry on defining and implementing the
>> changes needed to get better integration of Radioastronomy data into the
>> VO. At the moment the proposal is being discussed at the IVOA executive
>> committee (exec). Should it be accepted we would need someone with radio
>> experience to volunteer to chair it, supported by someone aware of the VO
>> as support.
>>
>> Doodle for follow-up meeting:
>>
>> https://doodle.com/poll/2mct7p9a2bw4eeek
>>
>> (meeting at 11 am EST = 17:00 CET = 0.00 CST)
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Bruno
>>
>>
>>
>> *Splinter on Radioastronomy in the VO*
>>
>> 11th October 2019; 5 - 6 pm; DOT and then Student Hotel
>>
>> At the meeting:
>>
>> François Bonarel (CDS, IVOA TCG)
>> Mark Allen (CDS, IVOA chair)
>> Janet Evans (CXC, TCG vice char)
>> Harold Verkouter (JIVE)
>> James Dempsey (CSIRO)
>> Zheng Meyer Zhao (ASTRON)
>> Mattia Macini (ASTRON)
>> Yan Grange (ASTRON)
>> Marco Iacobelli (ASTRON)
>> JJ Kavelaars (CADC, IVOA exec)
>> Mark Kettenis (JIVE)
>> Mark Lacy (NRAO, IVOA CSP member)
>> Andreas Wicenec (ICRAR, IVOA exec)
>> Raffaele D’Abrusco (CXC, IVOACSP)
>> Bruno Merín (ESA, IVOA CSP chair)
>>
>> All the presentations from the “Radioastronomy in the VO” session on
>> Friday 11/10/2019 morning can be found at:
>>
>> https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpOct2019RadioVO
>>
>> *Proposals for small things that we could do to improve the
>> discoverability of Radioastronomy data in the VO (low hanging fruit):*
>>
>> - Mark Lacy: add Largest Anglular Scale in ObsCore (already part of
>> the CAOM model, JJ recommends using the same language as in CAOM not to
>> create confusion)
>> - JJ Kavelaars: adding the number of antenae in ObsCore for
>> interferometry
>> - François Bonnarel: options to achieve that:
>> - add an extension to Radioastronomy ObsCore
>> - use the provenance extension
>> - Harold Verkouten : A point spread function of UV plane would
>> contain useful information for someone to explore whether data would be
>> useful. The minimum and maximum resolution is a crude estimate and might be
>> useful as metadata.
>> - François Bonarel: extension of Characterization
>> - James Dempsey: what about UV coverage ?
>> - Raffaele D’Abrusco : we need to either generalize some of the
>> mandatory fields to cover your use case or add new things to reflect. E.g.
>> target is very well defined and e.g. it cannot be a number of celestial
>> sources.
>> - François Bonarel: Francesca from the Italian VO said that they
>> wanted to add CAOM on top of ObsCore. This is something to be checked in
>> the DL and DAL group.
>> - JJ Kavelaar: we express our ObsCore as a view in our service,
>> there is no translation between CAOM and ObsCore. That makes things easier.
>> - Zheng Meyer Zhao: How are we going to organize work done in this
>> working group ?
>> - Bruno Merín: I propose we organize a telecon once in a while
>> with everyone in copy to try to identify the low-hanging fruit actions and
>> try to implement them.
>> - François Bonarel: changing ObsCore might imply problems in other
>> domains so there are something that we talk often which is the concept of
>> an extension, which has never been done so far but it could be useful
>> - Andreas Wicenec: we should add to ObsCore the little strings with
>> the configuration, which is very specific to each instrument. This is very
>> difficult to standardize.
>> - Marco Iacobelli : any representation we do should be based on
>> physical units (bandwidth, frequency ranges, spectral and time resolution).
>> In the interferometry, some of these things depend on the UV coverage. It
>> would be very interesting to map all the instrument features/properties
>> that can be translated for physical parameters for the user to query.
>> - Mattia Macini : Would it be an idea to map the visibility in the
>> sky with tessellation and then allow searched based on that tessellation?
>> - Mark Lacy: Faraday Rotation and Rotation Measure are slightly
>> harder problems than those discussed here so we might leave them for a
>> later iteration.
>>
>> *Further discussion on implementations :*
>>
>> - Mark Kettenis: what is the best practice for finding sources in an
>> ObsCore response?
>> - Bruno Merín: the query just responds how many observations there
>> are on a particular region of the sky.
>> - François Bonarel: the intended target is part of the metadata
>> - We had then a discussion about the fact that mapping the
>> observation “target” field to the actual central positions of the different
>> observing modes in radio is not straightforward since there are off target
>> points for background, or complex dithers that constitute part of a single
>> (or several) observations. In spite of all that complexity, it was believed
>> that the notion of an observation “footprint” was a valid one that could be
>> developed and used to allow for searches in archives.
>>
>> *Next steps:*
>>
>>
>> - We agreed that we need now two to three data search use cases from
>> the different observatories to then be able to identify the highest impact
>> change to either ObsCore or an extension to ObsCore.
>> - This prioritized list of use cases (by impact for users) will be
>> discussed then with the IVOA TCG (Technical Coordination Group) to identify
>> the fastest possible implementations.
>> - We should all meet in a telecon in a month time together with the
>> TCG chairs to review the use cases and identify possible implementations
>> and/or updates of standards. In order the find the best date and time,
>> please give me your availabilities at the following doodle poll:
>>
>>
>>
>> - https://doodle.com/poll/2mct7p9a2bw4eeek
>>
>>
>> *Actions:*
>>
>>
>> 1. Action on François Bonarel: provide 3 data search use cases for
>> radioastronomy data in CDS
>> 2. Action on Mark Kettenis and Harold Verkouter : provide 3 data
>> search use cases for radioastronomy data in JIVE
>> 3. Action on James Dempsey: provide 3 data search use cases for
>> radioastronomy data in CSIRO
>> 4. Action on Marco Iacobelli: provide 3 data search use cases for
>> radioastronomy data in ASTRON
>> 5. Action on Mark Lacy : provide 3 data search use cases for
>> radioastronomy data in NRAO
>> 6. Action on Jun Han : provide 3 data search use cases for
>> radioastronomy data in FAST
>> 7. Action on Andreas Wicenec: provide 3 data search use cases for
>> radioastronomy data in ICRAR and SKA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *ESA - European Space Agency*
>>
>> Dr. Bruno Merín
>> Head of the ESAC Science Data Centre (SCI-OPD)
>>
>> *European Space Astronomy Centre (ESAC)*
>> Camino Bajo del Castillo s/n
>> Villanueva de la Cañada, 28692 Madrid, Spain
>>
>> *Bruno.Merin at esa.int * <bruno.merin at esa.int>| cosmos.esa.int/esdc
>> Phone: +34 91 813 1456 | Fax: +34 91 813 1218
>>
>> On Oct 11, 2019, at 3:18 PM, Bruno Merin <bmerin at sciops.esa.int> wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Thanks very much to all the presenters for the nice and clear
>> presentations today. We would like to propose to have a 1-hour discussion
>> TODAY starting at 5 pm in the café of the PODLive Planetarium to try to
>> identify some low-hanging fruit (i.e. a few things that we could do already
>> at the meeting) and try to implement them before Sunday. We should also
>> discuss the steps to follow to support any observatory that is interested
>> in exposing their data holdings through the VO interfaces in the mid-term
>> future.
>>
>> *What:* followup discussion on Radioastronomy in the VO
>> *When:* TODAY 11 October 2019 from 5 to 6 pm
>> *Where:* PODLive Planetarium café
>>
>> In particular, we would be great to have the TCG chair and/or vicechairs
>> in the meeting to help us identify where is the low-hanging fruit.
>>
>> Many thanks in advance for your time,
>>
>> Bruno
>>
>>
>> On Oct 7, 2019, at 4:30 PM, Bruno Merin <bmerin at sciops.esa.int> wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Thanks so much for your responses and apologies for the late response
>> from my side. Here below you can find the link to the draft agenda for the
>> “Radioastronomy in the VO” session, scheduled for Friday 11th of October of
>> 2019 from 11:00 to 12:30 at the DOT Planetarium of Groningen:
>>
>> https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpOct2019RadioVO
>> Friday October 11, 13h30 - 15h, Room DOT
>> Speaker
>> <https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpOct2019RadioVO?sortcol=0;table=1;up=0#sorted_table>
>> Title
>> <https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpOct2019RadioVO?sortcol=1;table=1;up=0#sorted_table>
>> Time
>> <https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpOct2019RadioVO?sortcol=2;table=1;up=0#sorted_table>
>> Material
>> <https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/InterOpOct2019RadioVO?sortcol=3;table=1;up=0#sorted_table>
>> Francois Bonarel Introduction to previous VO work on Radioastronomy 20'
>> + 2'
>> James Dempsey VO implementation experiences at CSIRO 10' + 2'
>> Jun Han FAST radio telescope data processing and management 10' + 2'
>> Mark Krettenis VLBI-specifics aspects and data products 10' + 2'
>> Mark Sipior VO services at ASTRON 10' + 2'
>> Discussion and Wrap-up 15'
>>
>>
>> I would like to ask for explicit confirmation from those in the draft
>> agenda above about their availability to give such presentation, their
>> preference for title and duration (including questions) and any other
>> comments or suggestions that you might have. In particular, I would need
>> confirmation about Mike Sipior’s presentation which is also scheduled in
>> the OPS session on Saturday but I also added to the agenda if possible here
>> to have a full picture of all available services before the discussion
>> afterwards. Of course, this is a draft agenda and it can be changed as
>> needed before the session itself, so just let me know your preferences.
>>
>> We look forward meeting you all on Friday and together contributing to
>> bringing all these precious Radioastronomical data into the VO world to
>> everyone’s benefit. I hope that this session, together with other earlier
>> work already being pushed forward in the ASTERICS and ESCAPE projects,
>> might help us move on significantly in this long-standing wish of the VO
>> and Radioastronomy user communities.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Bruno
>> On behalf of the IVOA’s Committee on Science Priorities (CSP)
>>
>> In copy:
>>
>> Rosie Bolton, SKA Organization (R.Bolton at skatelescope.org)
>> Mark Kettenis, JIVE (kettenis at jive.eu)
>> Zheng Mayer-Zhao, ASTRON (meyer at astron.nl)
>> Michiel van Haarlem, ASTRON (haarlem at astron.nl)
>> Francois Bonnarel (CDS, francois.bonnarel at astro.unistra.fr)
>> James Dempsey, CSIRO (James.Dempsey at csiro.au) - also the DAL WG vice
>> chair
>> Mark Lacy, NRAO (mlacy at nrao.edu) - and CSP member
>> Roberto Pizzo, ASTRON (pizzo at astron.nl)
>> Marco Iacobelli, ASTRON (iacobelli at astron.nl)
>> Jun Han, China-VO (hanjun at nao.cas.cn)
>> Alessandra Zanichelli, INAF (a.zanichelli at ira.inaf.it)
>> Arpad Szomoru, JIVE (szomoru at jive.eu)
>> Harro Verkouter, JIVE (verkouter at jive.eu)
>> Zheng Meyer, ASTRON (meyer at astron.nl)
>> Yan Grange, ASTRON (grange at astron.nl)
>> Mark Sipior, ASTRON (sipior at astron.nl)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *ESA - European Space Agency*
>>
>> Dr. Bruno Merín
>> Head of the ESAC Science Data Centre (SCI-OPD)
>>
>> *European Space Astronomy Centre (ESAC)*
>> Camino Bajo del Castillo s/n
>> Villanueva de la Cañada, 28692 Madrid, Spain
>>
>> *Bruno.Merin at esa.int * <bruno.merin at esa.int>| cosmos.esa.int/esdc
>> Phone: +34 91 813 1456 | Fax: +34 91 813 1218
>>
>> On Sep 6, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Bruno Merin <bmerin at sciops.esa.int> wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> As some of you might know, the International Virtual Observatory Alliance
>> (IVOA <http://ivoa.net/>) is meeting from the 11th to the 13th of
>> October at the DOTliveplanetarium in Groningen (meeting page here
>> <https://www.adass2019.nl/ivoa/ivoa-2/>). Given the vast experience in
>> radioastronomy in the area and the potential availability of several expert
>> radioastronomers in the area, we had the idea of organizing a
>> “Radioastronomy in the VO” session to examine together the availability to
>> radio data in the VO and try to identify the simplest steps to connect both
>> worlds or at least to move slightly in the right direction. We would be
>> talking about a 1.5 to 2 hour plenary session during the IVOA interop
>> meeting in Groningen with a few small presentations to set the context and
>> a discussion on what to do next. We would first like to invite you all to
>> this session (either in person or remotely, giving a talk or just
>> participating in the discussion) and would like to ask how do you think
>> this discussion could be more useful to both parties. We will take care of
>> all the logistics of the session.
>>
>> An earlier similar discussion already took place in the context of the
>> ESCAPE project and the notes can be found here
>> <https://www.asterics2020.eu/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=open:wp4:wp4techforum5:radiointhevo>. Therefore,
>> we could start the session with a summary of the conclusions from the
>> earlier meeting by e.g. Francois Bonnarel from CDS and then try to identify
>> the next steps to make all the Radio data easily available to the VO world
>> and viceversa. We are very much aware that this is a long-standing goal
>> from the VO but we are determined to give it a second push now that many
>> interfaces and protocols have matured substantially in the VO side.
>>
>> Any further comments and thoughts from any of you, or any recommendation
>> to contact any other people in the data providers world for radioastronomy
>> would be very useful too. I look forward hearing from you about this.
>>
>> This is the list of people that I have addressed this message to,
>> together with their affiliation and potential role in the IVOA:
>>
>> Rosie Bolton, SKA Organization (R.Bolton at skatelescope.org)
>> Mark Kettenis, JIVE (kettenis at jive.eu)
>> Zheng Mayer-Zhao, ASTRON (meyer at astron.nl)
>> Michiel van Haarlem, ASTRON (haarlem at astron.nl)
>> Francois Bonnarel (CDS, francois.bonnarel at astro.unistra.fr)
>> James Dempsey, CSIRO (James.Dempsey at csiro.au) - also the DAL WG vice
>> chair
>> Mark Lacy, NRAO (mlacy at nrao.edu) - and CSP member
>> Roberto Pizzo, ASTRON (pizzo at astron.nl)
>>
>> Best regards and thanks in advance for your responses,
>>
>> Bruno
>>
>> On behalf of the IVOA Committee on Science Priorities (CSP)
>>
>>
>>
>> *ESA - European Space Agency*
>>
>> Dr. Bruno Merín
>> Head of the ESAC Science Data Centre (SCI-OPD)
>>
>> *European Space Astronomy Centre (ESAC)*
>> Camino Bajo del Castillo s/n
>> Villanueva de la Cañada, 28692 Madrid, Spain
>>
>> *Bruno.Merin at esa.int * <bruno.merin at esa.int>| cosmos.esa.int/esdc
>> Phone: +34 91 813 1456 | Fax: +34 91 813 1218
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